Gretchen's postprandial diet experiment II

I previously posted Gretchen's postprandial diet experiment, in which she consumed a low-fat diet for a day, followed by a low-carbohydrate diet for a day. Grethen monitored blood glucose and triglycerides with fingerstick checks. (Blood glucose can be checked on any widely available glucose monitor; triglycerides can be monitored with the Cardiochek device.)

Let's now discuss what happened.

On the low-carb, high-fat day, there was an initial surge in triglycerides to 250 mg/dl late morning, followed by a secondary peak several hours following dinner. Because fat is mostly triglycerides, Gretchen's high-fat (sausage, bacon, butter, whole-fat yogurt) breakfast provided a large quantity of triglycerides that needed to be absorbed. This generally occurs over approximately 6 hours, varying depending on body weight, how accustomed you are to fat, activity level during the day, the kind of fat in the meal. The high content of saturated fat in Gretchen's high-fat breakfast likely caused the somewhat slower drop in triglycerides over approximately 7 1/2 hours.

As Gretchen herself had noted, triglycerides the following day were lower, a typical low-carb response. Blood sugar throughout showed only minor variation, with only small postprandial increases.

Thus, Gretchen experienced what we'd expect with a low-carb, high-fat diet: an initial high surge in triglycerides, followed by a decline in fasting levels, while blood sugar shows a normal contour.







Now, the more confusing low-fat experience:



Blood glucose makes a striking peak at 200 mg/dl after the low-fat breakfast of pasta and rice, in contrast to the low-carb breakfast. Triglycerides behaved very differently from the low-carb experiment: While there was no initial postprandial surge, there was a late surge developing 6-24 hours later. The late surge continued into the next day, with fasting levels the following morning (210 mg/dl) exceeding the starting triglyceride level (60 mg/dl).

The one potentially confusing aspect of all this is Gretchen's late rise in triglycerides on the low-fat diet. This phenomenon is due to something called de novo lipogenesis, or the liver's conversion of carbohydrates to triglycerides that occurs when an excessive carbohydrate load comes through diet. Because the human body cannot store anything beyond a minor quantity of carbohydrates (as glucose and glycogen), carbohydrates are converted to fats.

Another factor causing the late triglyceride increase is insulin resistance, given the high blood sugar response. When insulin resistance is present, the activity of the enzyme, lipoprotein lipase, is reduced. Less lipoprotein lipase activity allows slower VLDL degradation, allowing VLDL (and thereby triglycerides contained in VLDL) to "stack up" in the blood. Thus, the higher triglycerides late after eating and into the next morning.

One issue to be aware of: Acute responses can differ from chronic responses. In other words, had Gretchen had the luxury (and time and money) to conduct the experiment over, say, 4 weeks, rather than a single day, there would be somewhat different responses. The best data on this come from Dr. Jeff Volek of the University of Connecticut, in which 4 weeks of low-carbohydrate eating modify fasting and postprandial responses over time.

Several conclusions can be made from Gretchen's experience:

1) Low-carb, high-fat acutely generates extravagant postprandial triglyceride responses.
2) Low-fat causes a late triglyceride surge and higher fasting triglycerides.
3) Low-fat leads to high blood sugars and, by implication, diabetes.


Both the low-carb and the low-fat responses are undesirable, both leading to increased risk for heart disease. Which is worse? I believe that low-fat is more destructive, since it leads over time to both high triglycerides and diabetes, while low-carb/high-fat only leads to postprandial triglyceride surges, at least acutely.

How to best balance the responses to reduce risk for heart disease? That's a discussion for future.


Again, my thanks to Gretchen and the substantial amount of effort that went into generating these numbers. More of Gretchens' own writing can be found on her blogs:
http://wildlyfluctuating.blogspot.com
http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/5068

Comments (37) -

  • Pythonic Avocado

    1/3/2010 3:53:05 PM |

    Why do you say the low-carb response  is leading to increased risk for heart disease?

  • Stan (Heretic)

    1/3/2010 5:34:56 PM |

    Re: Both the low-carb and the low-fat responses are undesirable, both leading to increased risk for heart disease.

    With due respect, I would disagree that BOTH are undesirable, but I agree that the one caused by the low fat high carb diet (only) is indeed dangerous!  

    It was never proven that high triglycerides alone cause heart disease.  The available trials such as Framingham (1)  may have shown some correlation with the total cholesterol but correlation is not causuation, especially that the statistics do not distinguish between various diets. Furthermore, Framingham's correlation is restricted to men only (not women) and only for the age group 30-55.  For older men and for women of all ages the correlation becomes insignificant or reversed.

    Given the above data, I think the most plausible interpretation leads me to a conclusion that the most likely direct cause of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease is excessive blood glucose with hyperinsulinemia  (see the following papers, and Stout's papers(2) ).

    Hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia also happen to coincide with elevated TG and LDL but those are coincidental markers of metabolic syndrome induced by the common high carb (high sugar) diets rather than causing heart disease.  That I believe has nothing to do with dietary fat.

    Regards,
    Stan (Heretic)

    -----------
    Refs:

    1) JAMA. 2004 May 12;291(18):2243-52. Drug treatment of hyperlipidemia in women. Walsh JM, Pignone M.

    2) INSULIN-STIMULATED LIPOGENESIS  IN ARTERIAL  TISSUE  IN RELATION  TO DIABETES AND ATHEROMA,
    R.W. STOUT, Lancet Sept 28, 1968, p702.

    and

    INSULIN STIMULATION OF CHOLESTEROL
    SYNTHESIS  BY ARTERIAL TISSUE,
    R.W. STOUT, Lancet Aug 30, 1969, p467.

  • Nigel Kinbrum BSc(Hons)Eng

    1/3/2010 5:41:31 PM |

    As serum TG's with the HF meal are lower at the end of the day than at the beginning, does this suggest that successive days of HF meals produce progressively lower & lower TG's?

  • Anonymous

    1/3/2010 6:02:56 PM |

    I would love to hear about how to balance the risk between these extremes!  Wow, nice post.

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/3/2010 10:11:35 PM |

    Pythonic and Stan--

    It's not that triglycerides per se are atherogenic, but the POSTPRANDIAL PARTICLES that triglycerides represent are atherogenic.

    In other words, high triglycerides signals extravagant chylomicron remnants and VLDL, both of which are atherogenic.

    In the ongoing debate over what constitutes a healthy or unhealthy diet, the entire issue of postprandial patterns has been ignored. Yet much of heart disease develops IN THE POSTPRANDIAL PERIOD.

  • shel

    1/3/2010 10:55:38 PM |

    i eat copious amounts of fat with positive effects. i'm a layman, but "postprandial" or not, i'm having a hard time accepting this, as the evidence i've read seems to contradict what you're saying regarding overall benefits.

    why did no one pick up on the "postprandial particle" issue until now?

    will this be a new controversy sweeping through the paleo/low carb blogging community now? ;)

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/4/2010 2:15:45 AM |

    Anyone desiring a full accounting of the hundreds of studies documenting this effect will need to refer to the Track Your Plaque Special Report, Postprandial Lipoproteins: The Storm After the Quiet.

    This literature is, unfortunately, relatively difficult to understand. But just because nobody else has incorporated these findings into diet advice doesn't mean it isn't important.

    Keep in mind that most dietary advice is NOT based on observation of postprandial phenomena.

  • Eric

    1/4/2010 5:53:50 AM |

    I had a stroke last month. (Very minor, I went immediately back to work.)  As a 35 year old non-smoker/non-drinker who generally ate low carb and avoided sweets before the stroke (and had been exercising regularly for 6 weeks), I'm baffled as to why my triglycerides are between 600 and 900.  I'm now on Lovaza.  Against my doctor's advice, I decide to do a paleo type diet.  We'll see how the lipid panel does at the end of this month, but so far avoiding wheat and grains has generally made me feel better.  I've lost some weight as a bonus.

    The doctor is blaming my triglycerides for the stroke, and just calling it hereditary.  It'd be nice to know just what gene I have that causes strokes!  No blood clotting disorders, no diabetes, no pancreaitis, and no hole in my heart either.

  • Alen Kcatic

    1/4/2010 10:58:09 AM |

    First let's take a brief overall look at heart disease because you need to combine two other major lifestyle habits with diet to truly make a difference in reversing or preventing heart disease.


    But here's the good news. You can prevent or reverse heart disease by following care

    Avoid tobacco
    Be more active and walk 30 minutes
    Choose healthier food, including more fiber, less saturated fat, and less salt.

  • Peter

    1/4/2010 12:38:21 PM |

    If it were as simple as low fat leads to diabetes, the Japanese who ate the traditional low fat high rice diet would have had extremely high levels of diabetes, but they hardly had any. I would be more inclined to wonder if our diabetes epidemic is due specifically to flour and sugar rather than low fat in general.

  • shel

    1/4/2010 4:27:36 PM |

    ~Dr Davis, i wonder if this finding is going to point toward advocation of "grazing", rather than two or three meals per day (in a low carb context).

  • kris

    1/4/2010 6:04:12 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    Happy new year.
    here is the link to videos about FDA and drug giants. An eye opener. just in case you have not looked at it. total of 8 videos.
    http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/generation+rx#watch%3Dv18919526gZ4fkAAk

  • StephenB

    1/4/2010 7:16:32 PM |

    Dr. Davis, the abstract of the study you linked read: "Ten men consumed a low-carbohydrate diet rich in monounsaturated fat (MUFA) and supplemented with n-3 fatty acids for eight weeks."

    As you know, there are multiple low carbohydrate diets. This particular study did not examine a high saturated fat diet. I would love to see the result of chronic dieting featuring quality saturated fats like tallow, lard, butter, and coconut milk and avoiding hydrolyzed fats.

  • mark

    1/4/2010 7:19:28 PM |

    Dr. Davis wrote:
    "The one potentially confusing aspect of all this is Gretchen's late rise in triglycerides on the low-fat diet. This phenomenon is due to something called de novo lipogenesis, or the liver's conversion of carbohydrates to triglycerides that occurs when an excessive carbohydrate load comes through diet. Because the human body cannot store anything beyond a minor quantity of carbohydrates (as glucose and glycogen), carbohydrates are converted to fats."

    We don't see triglycerides being converted to glucose. It's a one way street.

    Would having increased carbohydrayte storage space in the body be preferable to storing triglyceride? We have an example of that in hyperglycemia. That's storage in the bloodstream. But the body works quickly to CORRECT that.

    So it's not that the body lacks glucose storage and triglyceride is the bad alternative. Not that at all. The body works hard to push glucose out of blood storage and into triglyceride in fat cells. That's a good thing.

    Postprandial high triglycerides from a high fat diet is a marker of fat intake. Postprandial low triglyceride on a high carb diet is a marker of carbohydrate metabolism. The later increase in triglyceride is the corrective process.

    It's hard to make the case that triglyceride is itself bad when it's one of the body's innate responses to the bad hyperglycemia. If triglyceride is bad, then the body is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's win-lose, so the low fat diet is worse than the low carb one.

    Given my experience with dieting, I would favour low carb over anything balanced in the way of fat/carb. From dietary intervention trials, I'm unconvinced that high fat is worse (or much better) than a mixed blend of carb and fat from a mortality perspective. But from experience, I favour low carb for general sense of well-being.


    Stan wrote:
    "Hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia also happen to coincide with elevated TG and LDL but those are coincidental markers of metabolic syndrome induced by the common high carb (high sugar) diets rather than causing heart disease. That I believe has nothing to do with dietary fat."

    It's tough to isolate lipids as causal as opposed to effects of diet. Smoking and fructose lead to increased LDL. So in this case, high LDL is really a symptom smoking and fructose intake. The latter two likely being causal for anything related to your health. 8 egg yolks a day on a high fat diet and your LDL is a symptom of that. And some people have normal LDL on that even.

    Mark.

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/4/2010 11:33:43 PM |

    Hi, Shel--

    No, absolutely not.

    Quite the opposite: Given what happens after eating, grazing is a destructive practice that likely increases risk for heart disease.

    See the previous Heart Scan Blog post: http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/triglyceride-and-chylomicron-stacking.html

  • shel

    1/4/2010 11:52:20 PM |

    ~hi Dr Davis.

    i agree. and i do much better when i eat two meals within an eight hour window.

    my focus has always been on keeping blood glucose low (i'm not diabetic, but use a glucose meter for my own curiosity), so was a bit floored by the thought that i have to watch every postprandial spike!

    ...so, what's left? huge salads and skinless chicken breasts? ;)

  • vin

    1/5/2010 9:33:36 AM |

    It is pure and simple observation of two parameters after eating a low carb and low fat meal. Nothing more that that.

    After all most of us eat more than just carbs and fat: there are vitamins, enzymes, minerals, fiber and hundreds of other nutrients. I am certain that they more than compensate any damage that glucose or triglycerides can cause to your arteries.

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/5/2010 4:39:02 PM |

    Sorry, Vin.

    You're kidding yourself if you belief that.

    It reminds me of the people I meet who take a list of supplements 30 items long (though lacking the most crucial like vitamin D) prior to their bypass or heart attack. That's called magical thinking.

  • Kurt

    1/5/2010 9:27:14 PM |

    Both diets seem to be extremes, whereas many of us are trying to eat a balanced diet of vegetables, lean meats, nuts, and some legumes and whole grains - call it moderate fat and moderate carbohydrate - but focusing on heart-healthy foods. I'd like to see postprandial data on that.

  • O

    1/5/2010 10:39:05 PM |

    I have been eating a primal low-carb diet for almost 2 years and feel great.  My fasting blood work is : trig = 40, HDL=88, LDL=114 (calculated), total chol=214, testosterone=606.  My heart scan score is 0.  I am physically active muscular male with 4 intense weights + some cardio workouts 2 hours each.  My bodyfat % is about 8-10% (I can see a clear 6-pack), age=43, height=5'7", weight=160 lbs.

    I have made an analysis of my daily intake in a spreadsheet.  My diet on workout days is 3000 kcal, of which 50% fat (167g, out of which 60g saturated), 20% carbs (150g), and 30% protein (200g).  Half the carbs are timed post-workout (workout shake, followed by dinner of meat + sweet potato).  On a non-workout days, I do not have a shake nor sweet potatoes, so the carbs drop to 10% (70g).

    Given the amount of fats I take every day, I am rather alarmed by the postprandial triglycerides.  My breakfast, in particular, has 57g of fat which will cause probably a substantial postprandial triglycerides.  Breaking up my food intake into many smaller meals doesn't seem to be a good thing.   We don't want increasing carbs or protein at expense of fats either.  Therefore, what is the solution here?

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/5/2010 11:21:32 PM |

    O--

    I am afraid there's no quick answer. That question is answered in an exhaustive report on the Track Your Plaque website.

    Alternatively, you could conduct your own do-it-yourself postprandial triglyceride test.

  • Anonymous

    1/6/2010 3:17:23 PM |

    This doesn't detract from any of the points you're making about postprandial triglycerides--but it looks like you're reading the chart from the wrong side here for triglycerides, from the left instead of from the right.

  • Catherine

    1/6/2010 4:16:40 PM |

    YIKES!
    I have been experimenting with a gluten-free, low carb, low sugar diet for 5 months and my LDL just shot UP from 220 to 230 and my HDL went DOWN a little from 66 to 61. (tryglicerides and CRP are excellent). This is opposite what's supposed to happen. Serum D level is good at 54.

    Can someone please tell me the name of the test to request from my doctor to tell if I have the small evil-type LDL or the big fluffy okay-type LDL?

    Thanks for your help,
    Warmly, Catherine

  • Lucy

    1/6/2010 4:33:54 PM |

    These results seem completely contradictory to the way Dr. Eades described the breakdown of saturated fat in his blog "The blood samples were taken two hours after the meal.  Dietary carbohydrate is absorbed directly into the blood and makes a pass through the liver where it stimulates the production of triglycerides, the fat you see in the blood.  Fat, especially long-chain saturated fat digests very slowly, and doesn’t reach the blood until much later than the two hour mark.  While carbs go directly into the blood, fats take a different route."

    Why was there a triglyceride spike after a high fat meal, but not a high carb one?  Were the fats Gretchen consumed not saturated?  It can't be both ways, which metabolic pathway is correct?

  • Catherine

    1/6/2010 9:08:44 PM |

    Oops, sorry i made a mistake.---My LDL went up from 120 to 130 (not 220 to 230)

  • vin

    1/7/2010 11:16:29 AM |

    Thanks for your comment Dr. Davis but for the first time you sound just like my cardiologist. He does not believe in reversal and thinks it is all down to one's genes and there is nothing one can do to change that. Well I think differently having postponed bypass surgery seven years ago. I will continue with 'magical thinking'. Its nice, you should try it sometime.

  • Anonymous

    1/7/2010 4:29:08 PM |

    To eat one extreme one day (low fat) and then eat another extreme (low carb, high fat) the next is a sure-fire way to get whacky blood/lipid results. Also, lipid levels can fluctuate more than 10% within a given day under normal circumstances. Alternating eating radically different extremes in terms of diet is anything but normal in my view.  Stress, exercise, or even one's sex can cause also shifts.  Trying to prevent every potential/alleged problem with postprandial lipids seems like a sure-fire way to increase stress which is also damaging to the heart and body.  I doubt paleo manwoman worried about the spike in his/her triglycerides from gorging on the fat from fatty meat meals.  I think one can micromanage one's self or rather labs, lipids etc to death...

    PS: Forgot to mention lab error.  Before drawing any conclusions from any lab results, have them repeated multiple times and at different labs.  My husband has to communicate with lab techs for his job and was horrified when one kept referring to "esterified" as "stir-fried"! And this was the one of the largest labs in the US...

  • Jim Purdy

    1/18/2010 4:38:41 AM |

    Doctor Davis, have you seen the new PR campaign from manufactured "food" giant Unilever to "Ban butter to save thousands of lives."

    Unilever is the company behind many fake foods, including fake butters Country Crock and  I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!

    I've posted a little about this ban-butter campaign on my blog at blogsthatmakemethink.blogspot.com

  • shoby

    1/28/2010 3:25:55 PM |

    I also have a blog about the diet we can share experiences and exchange links.
    This blog http://just-slim.blogspot.com
    thanks

  • Fran

    2/1/2010 5:51:52 AM |

    "How to best balance the responses to reduce risk for heart disease? That's a discussion for future."

    Please tackle this discussion soon.

  • ET

    2/26/2010 6:52:28 PM |

    I also keep a spreadsheet that details all the different fatty acids and such for every meal.  I've also had three lipid tests this year which were not fasting.  Two were in the afternoon, eight hours after a five-egg omelet with coconut oil, cheese and bacon; 2 hours later I had eight oz of full-fat greek strained yogurt which adds up to over 120 g of fat 6 to 8 hours before the test.  Add another 40 g of fat 2-hours pre-test and according to your theory, my triglycerides should be high.  On each occasion they were 91.  This is on a low-carb (<70g/day) diet.

    There's more to postprandial triglyceride metabolism than is covered here.  My next test will be a non-fasting NMR lipoprotein analysis.  Should be interesting how that stacks up against a fasting NMR test.

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Another interview with Livin' La Vida Low Carb's Jimmy Moore

Another interview with Livin' La Vida Low Carb's Jimmy Moore

I recently provided another interview for Livin' La Vida Low Carb's Jimmy Moore.

You may remember Jimmy as the irrepressible host of the Livin' La Vida Low Carb Show who lost around 200 lbs, dropping from 410 to 230 lbs on a low-carbohydrate diet.

In this hour-long interview, we discussed some of the dietary strategies that we use in the Track Your Plaque program.

Jimmy's website is definitely worth exploring. It's loaded with great interviews, including with Good Calories, Bad Calories author, Gary Taubes.

Comments (4) -

  • mike V

    1/7/2009 8:38:00 PM |

    Dr Davis:
    I enjoyed hearing your voice interviewing with Jimmie, and of course, I am quite familiar with your blog photograph. To complete the picture, would you be willing to tell us a little about your own personal experience with TYP over time?


    In my opinion, yours is the most compelling health care message currently available in the USA. Particularly your observation that the excesses going on in drugs and health care bear quite startling similarities to those that have developed on Wall Street during the last thirty years.

    Now, what's to be done?
    The nation needs you Sir!
    When has there been a more important time for you and like minded physicians to come to the fore?
    There is another prominent bi-racial person who could really use someone like you to coordinate  support and guidance from the profession with his health reform planning.
    I do not believe you are alone. Would you please seriously consider developing a video to articulate some of the great health business changes needed to avoid another Wall Street?
    I agree it seems like an impossible task until you contemplate what Barak O'Bama is up against!
    Dr D., I confess I started this thought in a rather frivolous frame of mind, but the more I think about it the better it sounds! Would you consider Surgeon General?
    Best Wishes for a happy and productive 2009.

    MikeV
    (PS: Maybe Oprah would help with the video?)

  • Anonymous

    1/8/2009 5:38:00 AM |

    Looking forward to reading it. I am also trying to spread your blog over at Lowcarbfriends.com...

    Thanks Dr. D

  • steve

    1/8/2009 2:55:00 PM |

    any thoughts on the Quest vitamin D issue of inaccurate measurement?

  • Steve L.

    1/11/2009 5:05:00 AM |

    I thoroughly enjoyed the interview, on my mp3 player while grocery shopping, driving, etc.  Thank you for doing the interview.  Together with the other "top 5" interviewees that Jimmy posted, it was really a blockbuster week.

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Is it or isn't it vitamin D?

Is it or isn't it vitamin D?

Jackie takes 10,000 units of vitamin D(3) per day as a gelcap.

Her starting 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level was 18.1 ng/ml. Severe deficiency, no surprise.

On her 10,000 units per day, Vitamin Shoppe brand, her 25-hydroxy vitamin D level was 76.2 ng/ml--perfect. It stayed in this range for about two years.

She then changed to the Nature Made brand gelcaps she picked up at Walgreen's. Repeat 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 23 ng/ml.

This has now happened with five different people, all taking the Nature Made brand.

If you are taking this brand of vitamin D, please be on the alert. You might consider a 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level to be sure it actually has the vitamin D it's supposed to have.

Or, change brands.

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  • Lou

    4/6/2010 6:47:14 PM |

    I often wondered about the one from Wal-Mart. i'm not sure if it's same as the one from Wal-green. The name brand rung a bell. My wife ended up with a little cold while on it. Needless to say, we went back to the old one. I also got a little cold but was over it quickly. I'll have to go there and see which brand. It was very cheap too. hmm...

  • Anonymous

    4/6/2010 7:20:50 PM |

    Wow, goodbye Nature Made!  Has anyone tried and had luck with the Trader Joe's brand?

  • sdkidsbooks

    4/6/2010 8:08:47 PM |

    Just called NatureMade Co and they told me their D3-2000 softgels are also sold under the Kirkland brand by Costco.  I have been taking those for 6 mos. and will now get my level checked. I'll be switching if it's not where it's been for the past year.

    Thanks.

    Jan

  • tom

    4/6/2010 9:43:32 PM |

    Dr. Davis:
    This is excellent and important  information; thank you for reporting it.

    Question:  has Nature Made been made aware of this?  I'm not defending them by any strtch, but is it possible that something they're not aware of has occurred?  They've always seemed to be a reputable company.
    Also, I've never seen them offer a 10,000 unit single dose.

  • Thomas

    4/6/2010 11:31:24 PM |

    Just want to make sure you mean Nature Made and not Nature's Bounty, both of which are sold by Walgreens.

  • pmpctek

    4/7/2010 12:36:24 AM |

    I have been taking 6,000 IU NOW Foods (brand) vitamin D3 gelcaps/day for the last three years.

    My 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level has been ~60 ng/ml after two tests in those three years.  So far, so good.

  • Rick

    4/7/2010 1:37:19 AM |

    Does anyone have experience with the Country Life brand gelcaps?

    By the way, Dr Davis, when you say "You might consider a 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level", do you mean that we might consider having our 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level measured?

  • Anonymous

    4/7/2010 1:59:02 AM |

    can you comment the same on niacin

  • Sharan Virk

    4/7/2010 2:46:13 AM |

    Thanks Dr. Davis, I have personally learned so much from reading your blog..... I wanted to know how much I appreciate you taking time from your schedule to give us such valuable advice. My father is a open heart surgery patient and the food in hospital up to his surgery was appalling and his cardiologists standard low fat recommendations is stupendous. However my parents are of the age where doctor is = GOD. I am the nutcase for advocating D3, and salmon oil, & coconut oil.... THANKS AGAIN!!!! Sharan from Ontario, Canada

  • Helena

    4/7/2010 3:50:18 AM |

    Wow, that is worrying news but I am not surprised either.. there is a lot of scams out there.. but you would have thought they would be more unfamiliar brands than something we can pick up everywhere, or maybe that is just why. No one is questioning them because the brand is so known! I wonder if this goes for their other supplements too? I will for sure send this information along.

  • Eloise

    4/7/2010 11:05:14 AM |

    Last september 25-0H-lab 20. I started with 10000/d dried pills. March lab 140!Really surprised that the resorption of ordinary pills can be that high. Luckily no toxic "side effects". Sure I´ll pause now till next winter.

  • Adolfo David

    4/7/2010 1:47:36 PM |

    I have developed hypervitaminosis of vitamin D only taking 3000 IU daily of D3 during 5 months. I have removed all vitamin D3 of my supplements until I have levels under 50-60 ng/ml or even below.

    My experience has told me that some doctors/scientists are prescribing megadoses of vitamin D to population. Probably no more than 1000 IU daily of D3 to general population is a good dose.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/7/2010 2:28:39 PM |

    The comments from several people highlight the absolute need to monitor 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood levels. We have our patients' levels checked every 6 months. Only then can you truly know what your status is.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/7/2010 2:34:18 PM |

    My email to Nature Made:

    "I am a practicing cardiologist who monitors vitamin D blood levels in all my patients every 6 months.

    The Nature Made vitamin D is yielding no increase in 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood levels, despite prior full restoration with other brands.

    This suggests that there is either little or no vitamin D in the capsule.

    I'd appreciate your response."

    We'll see what happens. Don't expect them to say much. The chain of communication in these companies is often not open to our scrutiny, nor will they say anthing that makes them legally liable in any way.

  • Lou

    4/7/2010 2:58:16 PM |

    Adolfo David,

    your statement doesn't even make sense. Did you spend a lot of time outside during warm season?

    1,000 IU a day is very low for most people during the winter. That being said, I'd stick with 2,000 IU a day at the most during the summer and 5,000 IU during the winter. We easily make 20,000 IU of vitamin D in the skin just being outside at midday in the summer with the body mostly exposed after 20-30 minutes so I don't see how doctors are giving megadose when they say to take only 400 IU a day. We do not routinely get tested for it unless we request for it.

  • Larry

    4/7/2010 3:47:34 PM |

    If you can't get to a reputable vitamin/supplement store, head over on the Internet to Vitacost.com.
    I've been buying from them for years now.
    They sell hundreds of name brands at discounted prices.
    I've been using Carlson's VitD3 during the winter months here in Fla.
    I then get a blood test going back into the winter months.

  • Anonymous

    4/7/2010 3:51:55 PM |

    Anyone have any experience with Sam's Club's Member's Mark brand?

    http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/na

    vigate.do?dest=5&item=412704&pCatg=

    11017

  • Adolfo David

    4/7/2010 4:07:20 PM |

    Huhu, it would be interesting to see if they answer and what answer. It is so important to choose brands of high quality when you buy supplements like Life Extension, NOW, Nordic Naturals, New Chapter..to name only a few I think are in the top quality.

    Eloise, its strange that you have not felt any side effect with 140 ng/ml of vitamin D, it is almost a toxic level!

  • Lou

    4/7/2010 4:49:45 PM |

    Adolfo,

    I see that you're from Spain. I wonder if the testing lab is doing it right or the dosing is way off the mark.

    1,000 IU isn't very much when it comes to keeping vitamin D level in the optimal range during the winter. During the summer, we (except for elderly people) can produce as much as 20,000 IU in the skin at midday with most of the body exposed to the sun after 20-30 minutes (for light skin). Much longer for dark skin. That's why your statement doesn't make sense.

  • Elizabeth Miller

    4/7/2010 4:56:53 PM |

    My husband and I have been using the Costco Kirkland D3 (2000 IU per gel cap) and have had wonderful results. Recently I measured in at 81 ng/mL and my husband's measured level was 53 ng/mL -- note, I am more religious about taking my vitamins everyday than he is.

  • Anonymous

    4/7/2010 6:16:00 PM |

    Dr D.

    I had been taking the NOW brand of Niacin.  I also tried the "pharma" Niaspan.  The impact on my trigs was the same (35% reduction).  recently there was a package change here in Canada. Unfortunately the contents lable indicated niacinamide.  NOW said it was a lable error and the contents were niacin.  We have not seen a new packet yet.

    I have tired rexall and wallmart brands, niether produce a flush that gives me the comforting feeling there is niacin at the strength I need for trigs reduction.

    If you have a resource recommendation to find quality suppliments for D3,K2 and Niacin, it would be much appreciated

  • DrStrange

    4/7/2010 7:43:16 PM |

    One other "D" issue is that quite a high number of people do not absorb the dry form (even of D3) well if at all.  Many, like Eloise, obviously do but many can take fairly high doses of it for some time w/ no change in blood level, switch to the oil base and bring it right up.

  • Anonymous

    4/7/2010 8:35:05 PM |

    Dr Davis:

    The subject of Vitamin D supplementation is a confusing one for me. I have been following the various postings on this blog and other news articles pointing out all the benefits of Vitamin D3. However, there seems to be vast disagreement on what constitutes a deficiency across ethnic/racial groups.To quote from wikipedia's page:

    "Recommendations stemming for a single standard for optimal serum 25(OH)D concentrations ignores the differing genetically mediated determinates of serum 25(OH)D and may result in ethnic minorities in Western countries having the results of studies done with subjects not representative of ethnic diversity applied to them. Vitamin D levels vary for genetically mediated reasons as well as environmental ones.[30][31][32][33]  Among descent groups with heavy sun exposure during their evolution, taking supplemental vitamin D to attain the 25(OH)D level associated with optimal health in studies done with mainly European populations may have deleterious outcomes.[11]

    I'm of South Asian(Indian) descent and my 25(OH)D levels on a recent test were 31.3 ng/ml.

    What level would you say is safe for someone like me ? I take a 1000 IU supplement a day now but am more than a little concerned as what is safe.

  • Tom

    4/7/2010 9:03:41 PM |

    Thank you Dr. Davis for following up with Nature Made.  While they may not want to make any comments that might be self-incriminating, the evidence is in the gel caps themselves; they either contain the amount of D3 claimed, or they don't.  I think  the salient issue is the amount of D3 in the gelcap.  An argument can be made that the company is not responsible for guaranteeing patient D3 levels because of individual biology.
      If the users of the NM product have any of the original capsules remaining, they might want to hold onto them, and even purchase an unopened bottle for possible future action.

  • Anonymous

    4/7/2010 9:08:25 PM |

    Thank You Dr Davis for your excellent blog and your easy, straight-to-the-point posts!

    After discovering you back in the Fall, I joined the Grassroots program and tested for Vit D at a low level of 12.

    I took 5000-10000iu of Vit D3 daily since Nov 20th and recently retested (with ZRT again).

    Although the searing, scorching pain in my joints has nearly all faded (thyroid/fibro?), and I was hoping for an optimal level, my lab results were only 19 last week Frown


    Curious after reading this though - I was taking Natures Bounty from Walgreens (5000iu max strength soft gel with soybean oil).

    Does anyone know if Natures Bounty is the same as Nature Made?

    As always, I appreciate the time you take to relate your stories and experience with us.

  • Daniel

    4/7/2010 10:09:31 PM |

    Somebody asked about Country Life.  I use their 2500 IU non-fish oil gelcap and my levels are 45ng/ml, which seems about right.  Thus, I think that company is indeed selling D3.

  • DataPro

    4/8/2010 12:37:50 AM |

    Your advertising Glucosan? A supplement that's banned in countries like Australia? Thats stuff put me in the emergency room last year. It absorbs moisture and swells in your gut. I am very surprised to see you advertising this.

  • DataPro

    4/8/2010 12:43:38 AM |

    OK might have spoke too soon. I've written the company and asked them if their product contains any glucosan and if not, why they would name their product after it.

    Thanks

  • Anonymous

    4/8/2010 2:43:49 AM |

    I would expect you'll hear from them.  It's probably the most damaging publicity their brand will receive this year.

  • Mat

    4/8/2010 7:21:59 AM |

    Dr. Davis

    Thanks for the information.  8000iu of Walgreen's "Finest Natural" D3 gelcaps had raised my HDL's from 23 to 60.  I will test my HDL's ASAP.

    William Faloon at Lef.org likes Metformin to keep appetite under control,  potential disease prevention, anti-aging benefits,  correcting "metabolic syndrome" and anti-cancer effects.
    I am having problems getting under 18% body fat and am wondering if you have had good results?

  • moblogs

    4/8/2010 9:34:28 AM |

    This is interesting. I've been taking high dose Bio-Tech capsules which get to me 56.4ng/ml at 10,000IU, so maybe gel caps of a different brand require a smaller amount (or more)? I guess if 10,000IU of Bio-Tech works for me I'll just stick with that - just hope they don't stop selling vitamin D.
    That said I think Bio-Tech's value is probably fine (and I consume it with yogurt) as my first attempt at supplementation a few years ago was 400IU D2 in gelcap which didn't do much for raising levels at all, albeit also being D2.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/8/2010 12:10:25 PM |

    Here are some brands that have yielded predictable and consistent increases in vitamin D blood levels:

    Vitamin Shoppe brand
    NOW
    Sam's Club Members Mark
    Nature's Life

    There are surely more, but insufficient numbers of people in my population have been repeatedly tested. Also, all of the above have been GELCAPS. Tablets are not worth it, since they are so inconsistently absorbed. Oddly, the capsules filled with powder are better absorbed, perhaps equivalent to gelcaps.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/8/2010 12:15:06 PM |

    I forgot to mention Carlson.

    While, in general, I've had good experiences with Carlson preparations, we've seen some inconsistent blood results with their vitamin D. This has applied to about 3 people, so it may be premature to raise a stink. However, if you are taking Carlson, it may be wise to check a blood level.

    I believe the brands at Walmart also seem to work fine, though the high-dose 5000 unit capsule has not been around long enough to allow repeated testing.

  • Adolfo David

    4/8/2010 12:49:53 PM |

    Lou, I take care a lot of my skin, I use everyday all year a UVA-UVB sun protector in all my skin exposed to sun, at least SPF 15-20 in the winter and SPF 30-40 in the spring-summer. I tend to avoid sun rays directly over my skin.

    Taking 3000-4000 IU everyday during 5 months has produced to me 110 ng/ml of vitamin D. It has perfect sense in people like me who are probably vitamin D3 senstive. Also I am young, so I absorb so well vitamin D3.

    If you dont get a blood test I never recommend more than 2000 IU of vitamin D3 daily.

    Lou, I have read a lot about Vitamin D, I am health journalist very concerned about Vitamin D deficiency and I have read many articles and papers of John Cannell and Michael Holick.

    About sun and vitamin D: you produce 10.000 UI of vitamin D with sun exposure if your body needs this amount. If not, sun does not produce more vitamin D. For this reason, you cannot reach a hypervitaminosis level with sun exposure.

    My diet is mainly organic, much of this also paleo, with eggs, fish and some wild fish, some organic cheese... All these have vitamin D3.

  • Kelly A.

    4/8/2010 1:30:29 PM |

    I had great results with the Bio-Tech D3 powdered capsules, 50,000 IU once per week. My D3 last month was at 79.  

    For the previous year and a half I'd been taking D3 emulsion drops with my numbers in the 40s-50s at 4000 IU/day. I think the drop size was too inconsistent.

  • Anonymous

    4/8/2010 2:49:07 PM |

    Thank you for posting this information.  I recently had my levels tested after taking 5000 IU of the Healthy Origins brand D3 gelcaps for 6 months.  Levels had only gone from 37 to 39.  I'll be switching to Vitamin Shoppe or Now brands!

  • Ned Kock

    4/8/2010 3:47:49 PM |

    Or, you can increase your pre-sunburn exposure to sunlight, which yields about 10,000 IU. With no risk of overdosing, due to down-regulatory mechanisms with the "battery is full".

    Dr. Davis, I recall seeing a post in this blog about people over 40 not producing vitamin D from sunlight exposure. Do you still believe that to be the case?

    I ask because empirical research with elderly patients (65 and older) suggests that people in this category (i.e., the elderly) produce only a little less (80 percent or so) than 20 and 30-year olds:

    http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/02/vitamin-d-levels-sunlight-age-and.html

  • Tom

    4/8/2010 4:46:20 PM |

    Dr Davis --

    Are there any simple tests for crudely estimating one's level of arterial plaque which can be performed at home?

    Thank you,

    -- Tom Robinson

  • Helena

    4/8/2010 5:09:18 PM |

    Adolfo,
    I am also a little confused about what you are saying, but this might help you since we often measure Vitamin D as micro gram (mcg) in Europe.
    5000IU of Vitamin D is (from what I understand) 125 mcg. (1 mcg = 40IU)

    At the moment I am taking 2 different kinds of Vitamin D, Nature's Bounty gelcaps and one in a liquid form with arginine. I am unsure of the result from each. But last time I checked I was at 76ng/ml.

    I wish there was an easy way to test this at home like the sugar levels in your blood! I hate going to the doc to do this cause they always gives me the lecture that I am eating too much vitamins, and even questions why I do it - they say I should get enough from a normal diet. And when that happens I just want ask 'what the heck is a normal diet' I am pretty sure his and mine idea of a normal diet is different.

    Dr Davis - you should have a test right here on your blog for different Vitamin D products!! I would do it! Tell us what brand we should eat and for how long... test our levels, and then let us switch to another - do another test, and so forth... Each person could probably test 3 different brands in a year, or?? Just a thought.

  • tom

    4/8/2010 6:43:34 PM |

    For those asking about experience with different brands, here are my results:

    Niacin - Neutraceutical Brand (Vitacost online) - 1,000 mg. capsules, 1 daily:  noticable flush, even after 1 year.  Trigs went from 178 to 87.

    Vit. D3 - NOW Brand, 5000 IU gelcap, 1 daily.  Measured D3 in February was 74.

    I'm now going to try the Neutraceutical 10,000 iu capsule, every other day and see what happens with test results.

  • Anonymous

    4/8/2010 9:16:15 PM |

    I am glad to hear that the capsules filled with powder are absorbed effectively.  I mistakenly ordered Vitamin Shoppe Source Naturals D-3 Bioactive Form 2000 IU capsules thinking I was ordering gelcaps.  It turned out to be capsules filled with power.

  • TedHutchinson

    4/9/2010 3:41:48 PM |

    My partner and I have had our Grassrootshealth results back today, We take Country Life 5000iu softgels in MCT oil and use UVB from sunbed in winter and sun, when available, in summer.
    Mine was 64ng/ml and she is 74ng/ml.
    She is weighs less than me.

  • Amy Alkon

    4/9/2010 4:13:20 PM |

    Eades (who led me to your blog through a tweet of this and past tweets) recommended Biotech to me. I tested at 64 taking 5,000 iu and living like a bat (if I leave the house during daylight hours I wear the finest French sunblock, Anthelios #50/60, pour la visage - for the face). Many thanks for your post. Very important, knowing this. Retweeted.

  • Amy Alkon

    4/9/2010 4:13:20 PM |

    Eades (who led me to your blog through a tweet of this and past tweets) recommended Biotech to me. I tested at 64 taking 5,000 iu and living like a bat (if I leave the house during daylight hours I wear the finest French sunblock, Anthelios #50/60, pour la visage - for the face). Many thanks for your post. Very important, knowing this. Retweeted.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/9/2010 5:06:47 PM |

    Several people commented on sun and vitamin D.

    Despite the media's repeated claim that 10 minutes of sun will provide 10,000 units of vitamin D, this does NOT apply to the majority of us.

    This tends to apply only to young people, generally younger than 30 years old. Over 40, and most (but not all) have lost much of the ability to activate vitamin D in the skin with sun exposure.

    Ignore the "talking heads" who tell you that 10 minutes of sun provides sufficient vitamin D. They probably read about it in a website last evening, then speak as "authorities."

  • Anne

    4/9/2010 6:29:14 PM |

    I am like Adolfo I think. When I took 4,000 IU D3 per day for just four months over the winter a couple of years ago my 25(OH)D level reached 154 ng/ml. I am not young, I am in my mid 50s but I am slim. I cut down to 2,000 IUs per day and my levels have stabilized between 60 and 80 ng/ml. I get tested every four months or so. I do not go in the sun, but I did when I was in France last year and my 25(OH)D level actually fell ! I too eat a Paleo diet with lots of oily fish which contains D and I think this helps keep my 25(OH)D level up despite only taking 2,000 IU D3. I take Carlsons.

  • Ned Kock

    4/10/2010 1:35:41 AM |

    Dr. Davis, I was not referring to anything said by "talking heads", but to research done or reviewed by Reinhold Vieth.

  • dextery

    4/10/2010 3:26:35 AM |

    For the Anonymous person that asked about Niacin...I take the brand name Slo-Niacin I get at Walmart or Sam's Club...2000mg
    per day to raise my HDL.  If I spread the 4 tablets out over a couple of hours I get no flushing.

    HDL went from 42 to 85mg/dL in a matter of 3 months.

    Other "no flush" products for me
    severe flushing.

    TYP uses Slo-Nicain brand.

  • Anonymous

    4/10/2010 4:17:16 AM |

    Anyone have any experience with Sam's Club's Member's Mark brand?

    That's what I take. One 5,000 units capsule every other day (plus there supposed to be 600 IU in the multi I take daily).

    Definitely a good stuff. It is so ridiculously cheap, it's hard to believe it's good. How do I know? First, a test a year ago. Second, I get two weird side effects of taking vitamin D: 1) a low grade acne that I used to get once in a while disappears completely, 2) two small wart-like tumors on my wrist shrink and become very flat, barely visible.
    How do I know it's vitamin D that does it? - Just for kicks, I once stopped taking it for 3 months and both effects reverted.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/10/2010 12:24:21 PM |

    Here's the response from Nature Made. It's the usual corporate-speak nonsense that says nothing.

    Unfortunately, because the experiences I have are from patients, not my own vitamin D, I do not have the bottles nor lot numbers to supply them. In past, when I have gone to the trouble of getting them, it never came to anything. You provide it, the information goes into the company, you never hear anything more.

    So, given the difficulties, I would suggest that we all avoid Nature Made vitamin D. By the way, their fish oil is not a very good product, either. Nature Made is one of the brands we consistently see stomach upset with.



    Date:     April  9,  2010
    From:     Marissa Reyes, Consumer Affairs Department
    Subject:  Reference #346236

    Dear William Davis, MD:

    We recently received your e-mail regarding Nature Made products.  We regret to hear that the quality standards of our company. [?]

    Our company is called Pharmavite, and we manufacture Nature Made nutritional supplements.  We have been in business since 1971.  We are committed to quality control, and have very high quality standards.  Our Quality Control personnel sample and test all raw materials as they enter our plant, and again assay the finished product, before final packaging.  

    Dietary Supplements are regulated under the FDA through DSHEA (Dietary Supplement Health & Education Act of 1994). The United States Pharmacopoeia (USP) establishes standards for the composition of drugs and nutritional supplements.  This voluntary non governmental organization was set up in 1820 and has officially been recognized by federal law since 1906.  Standards established by USP for products are legally enforceable by the FDA.  At Pharmavite we participate in the USP Dietary Supplement Verification Program (DSVP).  Many of our products have earned the DSVP seal and additional products are currently being evaluated.  Our DSVP certified products will have the DSVP seal on the product label.

    Our Nature Made Vitamin D 400 IU tablets have been reviewed by the USP and bears the DSVP symbol on the label. Although the USP has not reviewed all of the Nature Made Vitamin D supplements, all of our products go through the same rigorous quality testing at Pharmavite. The products which have earned the seal help us to demonstrate the high quality of our products.

    We would like to look into the product(s) your patients have been using. If you could provide the UPC and lot numbers of the product(s), we will be happy to review our records. In addition, if you would like us to test the product(s) that you currently have, we will be pleased to send a prepaid postage mailer so you may return the product(s) to us so that our Quality Control Department can
    examine it. Please let us know if you would like us to send you the prepaid postage mailer.

    We thank you for contacting us and hope that you will continue to use and enjoy Nature Made products with complete confidence.

    Sincerely,
    Marissa Reyes
    Consumer Affairs Coordinator
    Pharmavite, LLC
    MR:346236-10

  • mongander

    4/11/2010 1:10:16 AM |

    I use 5,000 iu/day from WalMart and Sam's Club and my last test result was 79 ng/ml.  I use their fish oil also.

  • GHG

    4/12/2010 7:06:49 PM |

    I have taken the Biotech D3-50, 50,000 IU powder caps for about 3-4 years now.  Have not found a good source of oil caps that strong. I have not been sick in 8 years, first 4 from colloidal silver, and last 4 from D3. My 25-OH-vitaminD has been around 62-64 ng/ml.. take two 50,000 IU per week.  Now, after reading Dr Davis on powder D3 "may have erratic absorbtion", I started chewing up a gelcap with a teaspoon of coconut oil.  6 weeks later, my D3 level went from 62 to 80! on the same dose. Six weeks is probably not enough time to stabilize. I bet I may go to 90-100 when I retest next month.

    Dr Cannell (www.vitamindcouncil.org) reccommends 25 IU per pound of body weight per day long term for starts and then test.  My dose works out to be 14,286 IU/day and my weight is around 300lbs.. pretty close.  No wonder skinny people build up too much D3 in their blood, no fat to store/buffer it.  Also had a couple of warts/moles, and they went away after high dose D3. I think they are caused by viruses and D3 builds up the immune system enough to fight off most viruses
    --ghg

  • H. Ghr

    4/21/2010 6:08:35 PM |

    I had been taking the NOW brand of Niacin. I also tried the "pharma" Niaspan. The impact on my trigs was the same (35% reduction). recently there was a package change here in Canada. Unfortunately the contents lable indicated niacinamide. NOW said it was a lable error and the contents were niacin. We have not seen a new packet yet.

  • kristen

    5/13/2010 9:25:03 PM |

    I began supplementing a total of 4,000 iu of vit d at the beginning of January. (2,000 from my multivitamin and 2,000 from Sam's Club gelcaps).  My vit d level on Feb 1 was 32.

    Upon receiving these results in the middle of February, I began taking 2 drops (4000 iu) of vitacost's brand of vit d (in addition to the 2000 in my multi).  So a total of 6,000 iu per day.  

    I received the results yesterday of my vit d level taken 2 weeks ago-- 94.8!

    My hdl went from 38 in February to 31 two weeks ago.  
    I have also been following a higher fat, lower carb (30-75g/day) diet for the past 2 months.
    My triglycerides, overall cholesterol, and LDL levels have all dropped by 30-40 points.
    I've cut back to 4,000 iu of vit d.

    I can't seem to lose weight, however, even with the low carbs.  I am a T2 diabetic.  (AIC of 6.7 in February).

  • Anonymous

    7/27/2010 12:31:24 PM |

    hello,i live in islamabad,pakistan.last year i ws diagnosed having osteopenia then my dr also asked me for d3 n calcium tests both came very low.since last nov i hav been taking 500IU d3 alongwith osteocare syrup.but after 7,8mnths my result was  still  the same vit d3 being 16 (here in our labs normal range is considered above 30)and calcium came 8.4,(normal range starts from 8.8)please do suggest me something really useful and effective.i want to concieve too but i think might be being so defiecient i am suffering from hormonal imbalance too.my age is 32,i have  a son 4yrs old,am quite slim 5.3height with 110pounds.thnx

  • josephmoss

    8/2/2010 12:23:55 PM |

    Vitamin D3 2000 Iu:

    NOW Vitamin D softgels supply this key vitamin in a highly-absorbable liquid softgel form. Vitamin D is normally obtained from the diet or produced by the skin from the ultraviolet energy of the sun. However, it is not abundant in food. As more people avoid sun exposure, Vitamin D supplementation becomes even more necessary to ensure that your body receives an adequate supply. Vitamin D3 2000 Iu on discount at NutroVita.com.

    For more details please visit:
    http://www.nutrovita.com/32760/now-foods/vitamin-d-3-2-000-iu.htm

  • Trem papers

    8/16/2010 10:23:55 AM |

    You have done a marvelous job by exploring this subject with such an honesty and depth. Thanks for sharing it with us!
    termpapers99@gmail.com

  • Piper

    8/24/2010 7:06:48 AM |

    Dr. Davis, I agree that consumers should be cautious of their medicine intake. I've heard of various over the counter vitamins and food supplements being sold even in stores like Wal-Mart and elsewhere. Although, they have the same content like vitamin D, there can be some problems with the percentage in each capsule. That's why they need to be guarded of the brands that they would patronize.

    Aside from vitamin D, a lot of people today wanted to buy resveratrol too. They consult online resources and friends on where to buy resveratrol. Like in most drugs, experts advise to check the label, before purchasing any product to be sure of its content and effectiveness.

    Thanks for sharing.

  • mavicity

    9/2/2010 12:11:26 PM |

    Gee, makes me want to check my medicine cabinet and the brands I have in there.
    Not because it's well known means it works well.
    Mavic
    vitamin supplement industry

  • Anonymous

    10/21/2010 6:14:07 AM |

    I've been taking Source Naturals 2000 IU vitamin D3.

    My vitamin d is 85 ng/mL.

    Is that too high? when to stop supplementing? I highly recommend this brand for increasing your vitamin D level, and it's pretty easy to get.

    The costco brand was also fine - increased the level as well.

  • TedHutchinson

    10/21/2010 8:21:14 AM |

    25(0H)D levels decline from Sept though to March above latitude 30N. So continuing to take 2000iu/daily will (for you as you appear to be a high responder) maintain your status above the 60~70ng/ml that provides a good reserve of D3.
    Adverse events may be expected above 200ng/ml and you nowhere near that level.
    Most readers require 6000iu/d to attain and maintain 60~70ng/ml through the winter.
    Depending on the amount of time you spend outdoors next year it may be worth considering supplementing  alternate days or with perhaps 3 x 2000iu a week during midsummer if being above 80ng/ml bothers you. Personally I'd only reduce intake if I was repeatedly above 100ng/ml. Some test methods are slightly more variable than others and so your current level may be simply a

  • Anonymous

    2/10/2011 5:19:47 AM |

    i'm taking 2 gms of prescription niaspan but flush very bad.  any tips on limiting this effect?

  • Karamjeet

    6/9/2011 8:38:05 PM |

    I have been taking 2000 IU daily dosage of vitamin D3 for several months with marginal improvement in level - went from 10 to 15.  Visiting this blog-post revelaed thwe reason - I have been using the NatureMade brand.

    Kaiser's doctors recommended 50,000 iu weekly which initially had side effects - but I learnt it was perhaps because I was not taking it with heavy meals.

    I have now been recommemded 5000 iu daily, and I thingk I will go with Carlson or Now brand. But a quick question; Isn't the 50,000 IU prescription dosage prepared by the Kaiser Lab more reliable than any leading brands? I mean - can't we trust the in-the-lab prepared prescription more than the over-the-counter branded pills?

    Would appreciate if someone throes some light on this.

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