Why an RDA for vitamin D?

The Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the Institute of Medicine is charged with setting the values for the Recommended Daily Allowances of various essential nutrients. However, when it comes to vitamin D, the FNB decided that "evidence is insufficient to develop an RDA and [an Adequate Intake, AI] is set at a level assumed to ensure nutritional adequacy."

The National Institutes of Health Office of Dietary Supplements lists the AI's for various groups of people:

14-18 years
Male 200 IU
Female 200 IU

19-50 years
Male 200 IU
Female 200 IU

51-70 years
Male 400 IU
Female 400 IU

71+ years
Male 600 IU
Female 600 IU


A reconsideration is apparently being planned in near-future that will (hopefully) incorporate the newest clinical data on vitamin D.

My question: Who cares what the FNB decides? Let me explain.

I monitor blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D to assess the 1) starting level of vitamin D without supplementation, and 2) levels while on supplementation, preferably every 6 months (during sunny weather, during cold weather). I have done for the past 3 years in over 1000 people.

The requirement for vitamin D dose in adults, in my experience, ranges from as low as 1000 units per day to as high as 20,000 units per day, rarely more. The vast majority of women require 5000 units per day, males 6000 units per day to maintain a blood level in the desirable range. (I aim for 60-70 ng/ml.) A graph of the distribution of vitamin D needs in my area (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) is a bell curve, a curve more heavily weighted towards the upper vitamin D dose range.

Need for vitamin D to achieve the same blood level is influenced by age, sex, body size, race, presence or absence of a gallbladder, as well as other factors. But needs vary, even among similar people. For instance, a 50-year old woman weighing 140 lbs might need 4000 units per day to achieve a blood level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D of 65 ng/ml. Another 50-year old woman weighing 140 lbs might need 8000 units to achieve the same level, and 4000 units might increase her level to only 38 ng/ml. Two similar women, very different vitamin D needs. The differences can be striking.

Being a hormone--not a vitamin, as it was incorrectly labeled--vitamin D needs to be tightly regulated. We should have neither too little nor too much. I would liken it to thyroid hormones, which need to be tightly regulated for ideal health.

Now the FNB, in light of new data, wants to set new AI's, or even RDA's, for vitamin D for the U.S. This is an impossible--impossible--task. There is no way a broad policy can be crafted that serves everyone. It is impossible to state that all men or women, categorized by age, require X units vitamin D. This is pure folly and it is misleading.

The only rational answer for the FNB to provide is to declare that:

It is not possible to establish the precise need for vitamin D in a specific individual because of the multiplicity of factors, only some of which are known, that determine vitamin D needs. Individual need can only be determined by assessing the blood level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D prior to initiation of replacement and periodically following replacement to assess the adequacy of replacement dose. Continuing reassessment is recommended (e.g., every 6-12 months), as needs change with weight, lifestyle, and age.

Sure, it adds around $100-150 per year per person for lab testing to assess vitamin D levels. But the health gains made--reduced fractures, reduced incidence of diabetes, reduced colon, breast, and prostate cancer, less depression, reduced heart attack and heart procedures--will more than compensate.

Comments (10) -

  • Jake

    1/24/2009 5:18:00 AM |

    Amen

  • Anonymous

    1/24/2009 3:13:00 PM |

    Great great article. My mom  (here in Wisconsin) has no gallbladder and has been suffering for years with chronic issues and never tested for D until I suggested it as result of your blog.
    Her doc "went along with it" and she came in around 20ng - is now supplementing but still not enough of course but I'm passing this to her. (She is without major episodes since taking the D)

    She had just about every specialist and every test except the D over the past 5 years; scans and scans and measurements of potassium, etc...

  • Grandma S.

    1/26/2009 12:01:00 AM |

    From reading your blog I had mine tested and started taking 2,000 a day and now it is 75.  What would be too high a level?
    Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    1/26/2009 2:15:00 AM |

    Interesting. My results were 48 and my doc did not say a word about it. I have no idea how much totake to get to the 60ish you suggest. If my doc doesn't help, who do I turn to?
    Stevie

  • StephenB

    1/26/2009 6:31:00 PM |

    Stevie wrote:
    "If my doc doesn't help, who do I turn to?"

    No doctor needed. Get the vitamin D test kit from vitamindcouncil.org, or a blood test from lef.org. It's a great investment.

  • Grandma S.

    1/27/2009 4:55:00 PM |

    Anonymous, My Vit D results were 44 and am now taking 1000 x 2 (Vit D gelcaps). My results are now 75.

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    7/28/2010 6:05:10 PM |

    I work for a cardiac home care agency, and we're trying to come up with some standard for measuring and testing. There doesn't seem to be any consensus and what the protocol should be. Suggestions?

  • Jim

    7/29/2010 9:10:29 PM |

    My former doctor wouldn't order a Vitamin D or VAP test for me because I'm she "had no reason, you're a healthy, young man."  I went to another doctor who ordered the tests, and my Vitamin D was 31.  Coincidentally, my HDL was not as high as I expected considering I eat Paleo and take an Omega3 supplement 3x a day.

    I started taking 4,000 iu of Vitamin D per day and very curious to see how that will affect both my Vitamin D levels and my HDL.

    One question:  Is it recommended that pregnant women take smaller amounts of Vit D?  I'm sure my wife also has low Vit D levels, but we're expecting a baby.  Of course there's no magic number for all people (as this article states) but is 2,000iu generally too high for pregnant women?

    Thanks!

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Triglyceride Buster-Update

Triglyceride Buster-Update

In the last Heart Scan Blog post, I described Daniel's experience reducing his triglycerides from 3100 mg/dl to around 1100 mg/dl with use of omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil, along with modifications in his diet. This was accomplished in the space of around two weeks.

An update: Daniel has continued another 10 days on his fish oil, along with elimination of wheat, cornstarch, and sugars.

Repeat triglyceride: 202 mg/dl. That's 93.5% reduction in the space of three weeks--no drugs involved.

Daniel really did nothing extraordinary. He simply followed the simple advice I provided to take a moderate dose of EPA+DHA from over-the-counter fish oil supplements, along with elimination of the foods that are extravagant triggers of triglycerides.

He's got just a little further to go to achieve the biologically ideal level of less than 60 mg/dl. You can see that it is not really that difficult--provided someone didn't load you down with nonsense about "cutting your fat," or statin or fibrate drugs.

Comments (8) -

  • Sifter

    6/17/2009 4:00:58 AM |

    What is the dosage and frequency of fish oil supplements you recommend?

  • Ganesh Kumar

    6/17/2009 7:29:00 AM |

    Your Update is amazing! My triglycerides was 496 around 9 weeks back, and just with Vit D3 and Omega 3s, it came down to 283. But Vit D3 shot up from a dangerously low of 12.2 ng/ml to 239 ng/ml. I am 'trying' to be on a low-carb high dietary fat. Should I take remedial measures to 'lower' my D levels?

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/17/2009 12:16:01 PM |

    Sifter--

    Please put "fish oil" or "omega-3" into the  site-specific search and you'll come up with the previous posts detailing this issue, a question to which there is no "___ mg" answer.

  • TedHutchinson

    6/17/2009 3:37:56 PM |

    @ Ganesh Kumar
    But Vit D3 shot up from a dangerously low of 12.2 ng/ml to 239 ng/ml.

    The only time I've had a high reading was a faulty test. A repeat test a few weeks later showed normal readings.
    The half life of D3 is about 3 weeks. Stopping D3 supplementation should allow level to drop from 240 to 120ng in 3 weeks and then to 60ng by week 6, depending on sunshine exposure.  
    Postal Vitamin D testing isn't that expensive
    80ng is a reasonable natural maximum level. But as I have found it could possibly be a fluke test result. However living where you do should allow sufficient vitamin D from sunshine over the next 6 weeks and so it's best to be on the safe side and avoid supplementing while your status drops and a retest is ordered.

  • stern

    6/17/2009 6:32:28 PM |

    is it realy the omega 3 yhats is to thank for low tryglicerides ,lets look from scratch from we are coming from ,we loaded ourself with denatured refined hydrogenated omega 6 oil ,vs our omega 3 are the live healthy form one ,add to this the debate outhere on the right ratio between the 3 and 6 oils ,all this may conclude that eliminating all the junk oils and consuming only live natural organic fats ,than will find that omega 6 does reducr even more tryglicerides then omega 3 does!!!

  • Anonymous

    6/17/2009 8:46:22 PM |

    I see these commercials for Mega Red Krill Oil that are supposedly 3x more effective than fish oil.  Is this bunk?

  • pmpctek

    6/18/2009 1:22:37 AM |

    My last lipid test showed triglycerides at 52mg/dl.

    That may have something to do with my taking 1.3 grams of EPA/DHA omega-3 fish oil three times a day over the past year.

  • michael

    6/18/2009 6:51:40 PM |

    Interesting blog. I like to take 2x 300mg of omega 3 oils per day.

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