Beating the Heart Association diet is child's play



In response to the Heart Scan Blog post, Post-Traumatic Grain Disorder, Anne commented:


While on the American Heart Association diet my lipids peaked in 2003. I even tried the Ornish diet for a short time, but found it impossible.

Total Cholesterol: 201
Triglycerides: 263
HDL: 62
LDL: 86

After I stopped eating gluten (I am very sensitive), my lipid panel improved slightly. This past year I started eating to keep my blood sugar under control by eliminating sugars and other grains. Now this is my most recent lab:

Total Cholesterol: 162
Triglycerides: 80
HDL: 71
LDL: 75


Isn't that great? This is precisely what I see in practice: Elimination of wheat and sugars yields dramatic effects on basic lipids, especially reductions in triglycerides of up to several hundred milligrams, increased HDL, reduced LDL.

Beneath the surface, the effects are even more dramatic: reductions or elimination of small LDL particles, reduction or elimination of triglyceride-containing lipoproteins, elimination of the marker for abnormal post-prandial (after-eating) lipoproteins, IDL, reduced c-reactive protein. Add weight loss from abdominal fat stores and reduced blood pressure.

In fact, I would go so far as to speculate that, if the entire nation were to follow Anne's lead and eliminate wheat and sugars, "need" for 30% of all prescription medications would disappear. The incidence of diabetes would be slashed, the U.S. would no longer lead the world in obesity.

Anne and I are not the first to make this observation. It has also been made in several studies, such as:

The Duke University study of low-carbohydrate diets in type II diabetics. In this study, 50% of low-carb participants became non-diabetic: They were cured.

One of the many studies conducted by University of Connecticut's Dr. Jeff Volek, demonstrating dramatic improvement in glucose, insulin (reduced 50%) and insulin responses, and lipids.

Dr. Ron Krauss' early studies that hinted at this effect, even though the "high-fat" diet wasn't really low-carbohydrate.

If wheat and sugar elimination has been shown to achieve all these fabulous benefits, why hasn't the American Heart Association spoken in favor of this dietary approach and other- low-carbohydrate diets ? Why does the American Heart Association maintain its "Check-Mark" stamp of approval on Cocoa Puffs and Count Chocula cereals?

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  • Peter

    6/21/2009 3:17:36 PM |

    I stopped eating wheat and sugar after I read Gary Taubes's book (Good Calories, Bad Calories).  I haven't lost any weight, but I suspect it's still a good thing: it's not like there's a shortage of things to choose from.  But it's hard to imagine that my body was designed for refined food products.

  • Mark K. Sprengel

    6/21/2009 4:34:22 PM |

    I'm trying to explain low carb to my fiance and could use some help. I tried the Atkins diet a few years back, lost nearly 30 lbs and dropped my slightly over 200 cholesterol to 150 IIRC. I was working out a lot as well.

    The problem is that she and her dad tried Atkins and the father ended up in the hospital and she got sick. The Dr. said that since Atkins/lo carb became popular they had more problems with colon issues.

    They apparently were getting enough fiber and water. I'm thinking potassium might be an issue for her as at some point in her life they said she was low and needed to eat more potassium rich foods.

  • DrStrange

    6/21/2009 5:22:26 PM |

    In the Voleck study, low carb was 12% carbs but what was called low fat was 24% fat.  My experience and research by McDougall, Ornish, Esseltyn, etc indicates that if a truly low fat diet (10% fat; the difference made up by adding more complex carbs) were tested the results would be at least as good as if not superior to the low carb diet.

  • Ross

    6/21/2009 5:30:16 PM |

    In answer to your last question: Because the American Heart Association derives a significant fraction of it's funding from Cargill, ADM, General Mills, and other agribusiness giants.  If the AHA changed to a set of dietary recommendations that didn't help line the pockets of agribusiness by creating demand for highly processed foods (whole foods are notoriously unprofitable), it would mean the end of their funding stream.

    Follow the money and most mysteries are solved...

  • AKLAP

    6/22/2009 12:01:06 AM |

    Keep up the great work Anne & Dr. Davis!

  • ShawneeL

    6/22/2009 4:14:09 AM |

    Hi, see some of my posts at www.dailyrantingspot.blogspot.com where I talk about some of the boring science of low carb.  Anne's experiences are common for people who eliminate carbs from their diet.

  • ShawneeL

    6/22/2009 3:40:51 PM |

    This is why South Beach is a bit better, because of the emphasis on vegetables with fiber, and drinking enough.  I know my husband's triglycerides have plummeted to low normal.  A low fat diet doesn't "satiate" you enough that you can stand not to eat.  Obese people get used to eating, and that's a problem for attempting to lose weight.

  • Anonymous

    6/22/2009 6:23:42 PM |

    I don't know if ornish, etc. is truly superior.  I think that superior would have to be sustainable.  For all but probably 5% (pure guess here) of the population, that type of very low fat, vegan, diet is not sustainable or maintainable.

    I think that wheat free, no sugar, low carb, real foods diet is much more sustainable/maintainable for a great percentage of the population.  And, a lot of Esselstyn's work was with low dose Chol. meds.  Dr. Davis appears to take the no-meds approach.

    As an experiement of 1, my labs on a very near Esselstyn diet were further from the 60/60/60 goal of Dr. Davis than they were on a very near TYP diet that included quite a few more carbs than likely recommended.

  • billye

    6/23/2009 3:37:05 PM |

    Drstrange, for 50 years I tried to eat the so called healthy diet.  My favorites were McDougal and Ornish among 25 other low fat high carb gurus.  I gained after yo-yowing, 60 pounds and along the way I developed diabetes type 2 and kidney disease.  Thanks to Dr. Davis and my kidney doctor who is an advocate for low carb diets and turned me on to this blog and now writes his own www.nephropal.blogspot.com, I have been eating low carb for 7 months now and I am down 50 pounds and now have an hbA1c of 4.7.  While I know that kidney disease can't be cured, some of my kidney disease numbers have improved.  Forget about high carb and low fat, that's what is killing us.

  • TedHutchinson

    6/23/2009 6:57:01 PM |

    We now see more and more products jumping onto Omega 3 health benefits to market fundamentally unhealthy foods.

    Kellogg’s Live Bright Brain Bars contain 100 mg of DHA which is one-third of the 300 mg of DHA/ EPA recommended by the American Heart Association.

    But if you look at the ingredients of these bars you find.
    Coating Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Cocoa Processed with Alkali, Whey, Nonfat Milk, Soy Lecithin, Sorbitan Monostearate, Salt, Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60 , High Fructose Corn Syrup , Whey Protein Isolate , Soy Protein Isolate , Maltodextrin , Semisweet Chocolate Sugar, Chocolate, Cocoa Butter , Corn Syrup , Sugar , Palm Oil with TBHQ for Freshness , Cellulose , Sunflower Oil , Cocoa , Glycerin , Algal Oil Natural Source of DHA , Natural and Artificial Flavor , Salt , Sodium Ascorbate Vitamin C , Vitamin E Acetate , Soy Lecithin , Mono- and Diglycerides , Citric Acid , Folic Acid , Bleached Wheat Flour , Partially Defatted Peanut Flour , Mixed Tocopherols for Freshness , Pyridoxine Hydrochloride Vitamin B6 , Ascorbic Acid for Freshness , Vitamin B12

    It really is outrageous that products like this are promoted as Brain Health Bars. While I am certain that no one reading this blog will be under any illusions that consuming Omega 3 rich crap is anything other than crap, I am concerned that there are people who will think that these foods are making a meaningful contribution to the omega 3 intake and will not be aware that omega 3<>omega 6 ratio will still be distorted or that omega 6 intake has to reduce to around 4% of calories before the adverse effects of omega 6 are negated.

  • DrStrange

    6/23/2009 8:07:04 PM |

    I think it is totally dependent on individual physiology.  I believe, w/ nothing to back me up, that there is a bell shaped curve and that most people (the big part of the bell), can do well on either low carb/high fat or low fat/high carb.  The tails of the bell are the few who can only do well on one or the other.  I do great on low fat!  My numbers are excellent and I feel good. On low carb I am always tired, irritable, brain fogged and feel like I am starving. My wife is the opposite.  If she eats more than a few grams of carbs per day she blows up w/ phlegm and fatigue and digestive problems.  Not just gluten grains but any carbs at all except veg.  She also must minimize fruit or pay the price.  So we are Jack Sprat and Spouse.

    I have seen this in several people.  There are a few out there who just do not process fats well and some who do not process carbs well.  And I also know people who have done both and felt great on both.  The key is that "combining the two" ie high carb/high fat is what really will kill everyone!

    So far as I know, the only way to know is to experiment on yourself as you have done and listen to your body because it never lies.  When you find one that works for you then you are home.

  • Manu

    6/24/2009 2:57:04 AM |

    Is sprouted wheat bread also to be avoided?

  • Anonymous

    6/25/2009 3:30:24 AM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    I wanted to let you know there is an excellent discussion on weight gain, located at
    http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

    It is a lecture at a Hospital by Gary Taubes, the author of "Good Calories, Bad Calories"

    I read the book, and really enjoyed watching this hour-long lecture.

  • Sifter

    6/26/2009 3:10:49 PM |

    Dr. Davis, have you seen this, posted June 25th 2009...

    "High Carbohydrate Foods Can Cause Heart Attacks!

    In a landmark study, new research from Tel Aviv University now shows exactly how these high carb foods increase the risk for heart problems.
    Enormous peaks indicating arterial stress were found in the high glycemic index groups: the cornflakes and sugar group. "We knew high glycemic foods were bad for the heart. Now we have a mechanism that shows how," says Dr. Shechter. "Foods like cornflakes, white bread, french fries, and sweetened soda all put undue stress on our arteries. We've explained for the first time how high glycemic carbs can affect the progression of heart disease." During the consumption of foods high in sugar, there appears to be a temporary and sudden dysfunction in the endothelial walls of the arteries.
    Endothelial health can be traced back to almost every disorder and disease in the body. It is "the riskiest of the risk factors," says Dr. Shechter, who practices at the Chaim Sheba Medical Center — Tel Hashomer Hospital. There he offers a treatment that can show patients — in real time — if they have a high risk for heart attacks. "Medical tourists" from America regularly visit to take the heart test.
    The take-away message? Dr. Shechter says to stick to foods like oatmeal, fruits and vegetables, legumes and nuts, which have a low glycemic index. Exercising every day for at least 30 minutes, he adds, is an extra heart-smart action to take."
    ....from conditioningresearch.com

  • Sifter

    6/26/2009 3:11:39 PM |

    From ConditioningResearch.com 6/25/09

    In a landmark study, new research from Tel Aviv University now shows exactly how these high carb foods increase the risk for heart problems.
    Enormous peaks indicating arterial stress were found in the high glycemic index groups: the cornflakes and sugar group. "We knew high glycemic foods were bad for the heart. Now we have a mechanism that shows how," says Dr. Shechter. "Foods like cornflakes, white bread, french fries, and sweetened soda all put undue stress on our arteries. We've explained for the first time how high glycemic carbs can affect the progression of heart disease." During the consumption of foods high in sugar, there appears to be a temporary and sudden dysfunction in the endothelial walls of the arteries.
    Endothelial health can be traced back to almost every disorder and disease in the body. It is "the riskiest of the risk factors," says Dr. Shechter, who practices at the Chaim Sheba Medical Center — Tel Hashomer Hospital. There he offers a treatment that can show patients — in real time — if they have a high risk for heart attacks. "Medical tourists" from America regularly visit to take the heart test.
    The take-away message? Dr. Shechter says to stick to foods like oatmeal, fruits and vegetables, legumes and nuts, which have a low glycemic index. Exercising every day for at least 30 minutes, he adds, is an extra heart-smart action to take.

  • Fat Bastard

    7/4/2009 5:32:19 AM |

    Eat what ever you want. I have had 3 heart attacks. Life is short and it mostly sucks so be a glutton like me.

  • Trinkwasser

    7/14/2009 3:43:42 PM |

    I'm insanely jealous of that LDL!

    Statins knocked mine down but diet doubled my HDL and decimated my trigs (not a Heart Healthy diet, obviously, but a truly heart healthy diet of low carbs and masses of fat protein and veggies)

    Sadly my latest experiment failed - dropping the statin whacked my TChol back up, and the *receptionist* cancelled my A1c and Full Lipid Panel so I have had to see the doctor to authorise the correct tests, results in about a week. I suspect HDL will have further improved but LDL is the major culprit so I may end up restatinating myself.

    Another excellent paper from Jeff Volek looking at some more obscure cardiovascular markers

    http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/19

  • P90X

    4/9/2011 12:12:11 PM |

    It is "the riskiest of the risk factors," says Dr. Shechter, who practices at the Chaim Sheba Medical Center — Tel Hashomer Hospital. There he offers a treatment that can show patients — in real time — if they have a high risk for heart attacks. "Medical tourists" from America regularly visit to take the heart test.

  • Sten Ekberg D.C.

    5/12/2011 10:23:10 PM |

    A patient of mine recently alerted me to Dr. Davis's blog and I am delighted to read some of the entries. It is fantastic that some members of the medical community have the guts to think for themselves and tell it like it is. I've told my patients for years that the recommendations of the American Heart Association will give you a heart attack and the American diabetes association will give you diabetes. If you actually read the textbooks in medical school, it is plain to see that carbohydrades  trigger insulin which is a fat-storing hormone. After 30 years of low fat propaganda it is uplifting to see that some common sense is making the news. Whole foods is the only food your body knows what to do with. Keep it up. Dr. Davis.

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Are you addicted to fructose?

Are you addicted to fructose?

Try a little experiment:

Side by side, try a yogurt made with fructose or high fructose corn syrup as one of the first ingredients on the label along with a yogurt made without fructose.

Yoplait and Dannon brands, for instance, fit the bill for fructose. Several brands do not use fructose products. Many of these are the unflavored or unsweetened versions. You may therefore have to add some blueberries, strawberries, or some other fruit for some flavor. ( I doubt that you would add high fructose corn syrup.) Add nuts, seeds, flaxseed, or oat bran to either.

Many people who do this will notice a peculiar effect: The fructose or high fructose corn syrup containing product is, to most, delicious. It also triggers a desire for more. You can't have just one--you've got to have another, or you've got to eat something else.

The non-fructose containing product is more likely to generate satiety, a feeling that you've had enough.

If you experience this effect, the solution is simple: avoid fructose and high fructose corn syrup. I believe that the most worrisome health effect of fructose is this hunger-increasing aspect, difficult to document, perhaps impossible to measure, but a great boon to the food industry who practice an "eat more" philosophy to increase revenues year after year.

Perhaps you will also see weight drop (since you will be more satisfied), see triglycerides drop (since fructose raises triglycerides), and maybe obtain all the downstream benefits of reduced triglycerides (higher HDL, less small LDL, less VLDL, more rapid clearance of post-prandial lipoproteins).

Most people who follow this idea gain better control over appetite, lose weight, and do better in health, including in their Track Your Plaque program.

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    8/14/2007 9:33:00 PM |

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Mediterranean diet vs. American Heart Association Diet

Mediterranean diet vs. American Heart Association Diet

In 1994, the Lyon Heart Study demonstrated a 50-70% reduction in coronary events in participants who followed a diet rich in vegetables, olive oil, fish, nuts, red wine, and enjoyed meals as a family activity. Various other studies have documented similar phenomena with less metabolic syndrome, better lipid patterns, less obesity with the Mediterranean lifestyle.

There are two fundamental differences between the Mediterranean diet and the diet advocated by the American Heart Association (AHA) for people with heart disease: the Mediterranean diet uses olive oil more liberally, such that fat calories can reach 40% of total; and, unlike the AHA diet, processed foods are not a part of the Mediterranean diet. Greeks, for instance, are far less likely to eat Count Chocula cereal for breakfast, or snack on Healthy Choice Premium Caramel Swirl Sandwich (ice cream sandwiches) or Malt-O-Meal Honey Nut Scooters. All three of these foods on listed on the AHA Heart-Check Mark heart-healthy program.

In other words, remove all the processed foods, and the AHA diet pretty closely resembles the Mediterranean diet. There are differences but they tend to be relatively small. If the only major difference is the presence of processed foods, wouldn't you therefore expect the AHA to embrace the Mediterranean diet?

Here's what their official stand on the Mediterranean diet states:

Does a Mediterranean-style diet follow American Heart Association dietary recommendations?

Mediterranean-style diets are often close to our dietary recommendations, but they don’t follow them exactly. In general, the diets of Mediterranean peoples contain a relatively high percentage of calories from fat. This is thought to contribute to the increasing obesity in these countries, which is becoming a concern.



The AHA is actually lukewarm towards the diet that was the first to show a dramatic decrease in heart attack and death. Why?

The answer is obvious, once cast in this light. To wholeheartedly endorse the Mediterranean diet might be seen as an indirect rejection of American processed foods. You know, the foods that have caused an extraordinary and unprecedented epidemic of obesity in the U.S., the foods that are manufactured by ConAgra, General Mills, Kelloggs--all also major financial contributors to the AHA, according to the AHA Annual Report.

I tell my patients: If you want heart disease, follow the American Heart Association diet. In my view, it is a diet founded on politics and money, not on health. How else could Cocoa Puffs be regarded as heart healthy?

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  • DietKing2

    6/18/2007 1:25:00 PM |

    Hey Doc, leave my Count Chocula and Cocoa Puffs alone, man! Well, at least you didn't go after my beloved Cocoa Pebbles! (This is what I was raised on...wonder why I'm addicted to sugar??)
    I'm just kiddin ya, you know that. It just annoys me when you bring these things to light-the AHA witholding support of a diet (or lifestyle perhaps?) that is obviously so much better than their program. This is a group of supposedly intelligent professionals who you would think would want what's best for the American people as a whole.
    Enjoyed reading this post, but I still wish they'd invent 'Mediterranean Cocoa Pebbles' or something. LOL
    Adam

  • Anonymous

    6/30/2008 12:11:00 AM |

    Uh huh. Now I see what has been going on when my husband has been in the hospital for a 4 in 1 heart procedure (aortic valve replacement, one bypass, MAZE {?} procedure and restructuring of a portion of a heart chamber). I invariably raised my eyebrows at his food tray, but finally flipped out when a breakfast tray had french toast with syrup, Frosted Flakes and apple juice, in addition to eggs, sausage and milk. My husband loved every bit of it because he rarely gets that type of food at home. In fact, Frosted Flakes and their kin are strictly banned in this house since we're both fighting a tendency toward high blood sugar.
    Then there was the hospital version of chicken fried steak, with gravy yet. Pork chop another day, with gravy of course. Plenty of gravy on potatoes and butter for rice and rolls. A turkey sandwich on white bread for an evening snack, with a hefty packet of mayo. Smuckers peanut butter. And on and on I could go.
    I wanted to run through the hospital kitchens screaming, "Are you people nuts? Or are you trying to assure repeat visits?"
    Incidently, this was the "regular" hospital diet which my husband's heart surgeon allows during his patient's recovery period.
    Another week or two of this at home and then he's supposed to buckle down and eat right. Oooookay. But Frosted Flakes are still banned.

  • Anavar

    5/18/2010 11:56:31 AM |

    No diet is necessary if you just change white carbs for whole grains and bad fat for good fat. And weight will be gone for sure. And of course exercise must be included too. No diet is as successful as this.

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 7:33:19 PM |

    In other words, remove all the processed foods, and the AHA diet pretty closely resembles the Mediterranean diet. There are differences but they tend to be relatively small. If the only major difference is the presence of processed foods, wouldn't you therefore expect the AHA to embrace the Mediterranean diet?

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Five foods that can booby trap your heart disease prevention program

Five foods that can booby trap your heart disease prevention program

There are several foods that commonly come up on people's lists of habitual foods that are truly undesirable for a heart disease prevention program. Curiously, people choose these foods because of the mis-perception that they are healthy. My patients are often shocked when I tell them that they are not healthy and are, in fact, detrimental to their program.

I'm not talking about foods that are obviously unhealthy. You know these: fried foods, greasy cheeseburgers, French fries, bacon, sausage, etc. Nearly everyone knows that the high saturated fat content, low fiber, and low nutritional value of these foods are behind heart disease, hypertension, and a variety of cancers.

I'm talking about foods that people say they eat because they view them as healthy--but they're not.

Here's the list:

1) Low-fat or non-fat salad dressings--Virtually all brands we've examined have high-fructose corn syrup as one the main ingredients. What does high fructose corn syrup do? Triggers sugar cravings, makes your triglycerides skyrocket (causing formation of abnormal lipoproteins like small LDL), and causes diabetes. The average American now ingests nearly 80 lbs of this evil sweetener per year. You're far better off with olive, canol, grapeseed, or flaxseed based salad dressings.

2) Breakfast cereals--If you've been following these discussions, you know that the majority of breakfast cereals are sugar. They may not actually contain sugar, but they contain ingredients that are converted to sugar in your body. They may be cleverly disguised as healthy--Raisin Bran, Shredded Wheat, etc.

3) Pretzels--"A low-fat snack". That's right. A low-fat snack that raises blood sugar like eating table sugar from the bowl.

4) Margarine--Forget this silly argument about which is worse, butter or margarine. Which is worse, strychnine or lead? Both are poisons to the human body. Who cares which is worse? Fortunately, there are now healthy "margarines" like Smart Balance and Benecol that lack the saturated fat or hydrogenated fat of either.

4) Bananas--Bananas are not all that intrinsically unhealthy. The problem is that people will say to me, "Oh sure, I eat fruit. Two bananas a day." What I hear is "I don't really eat fruit with high nutrient value, fiber, and reduced sugar release. I reach for only bananas which yield extreme sugar rises in my blood and are low fiber." Aren't they high in potassium? Yes, but there are better sources. Cut back if you are a banana freak.


Why the mis-perceptions? A holdover from the low-fat diet days and marketing from food manufacturers are the principal reasons. Of course, foods are meant to be enjoyed, but be informed about it. Choose foods for the right reasons, not because of some cleverly-crafted marketing campaign.
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Track Your Plaque and non-commercialism

Track Your Plaque and non-commercialism

If you're a Track Your Plaque Member or viewer, you may know that we have resisted outside commercial involvement. We do not run advertising on the site, we do not allow drug companies to post ads, we do not covertly sponsor supplements. We do this to main the unbiased content of the site.

We've seen too many sites be tempted by the money offered by a drug company only to see content gradually drift towards providing nothing more than cleverly concealed drug advertising. I personally find this deceptive and disgusting. Ads are ads and everyone knows it. But when you subvert content, secretly driven by a commercial agenda, that I find abhorrent.

That said, however, I do wonder if we need the participation of some outside commercial interests to help our members. In other words, many (over half) of the questions and conversations we have with people is about what supplement to take, or what medication to take. While we cannot offer direct medical advice online (nor should we) because of legal and ethical restrictions, I wonder if could facilitate access to products.

Many people struggle, for instance, with trusted sources for l-arginine, vitamin D, fish oil. Other people struggle with finding a heart scan center because of the changing landscape of the CT scanning industry. Could we somehow provide a clear-cut segment of the website that clearly demarcates what is commercial and non-Track Your Plaque-originated, yet at least provides a starting place for more info?

Ideally, we would have personally tried and investigated everything there is out there applicable to the program. But that's simply impossible at this stage.

I feel strongly that we will never run conventional ads on the site. Nor will we ever permit any outside commercial interest to dictate what and how we say something. The internet world is full of places like that. Look at WebMD. I find the site embarassing in the degree of commercial bias there. We will NEVER sell out like that, regardless of the temptation. People with heart disease are all conducting a war with the commercial forces working to profit from them--hospitals, cardiologists, drug companies, medical device companies (yes, even they advertise to the public, e.g., implantable defibrillators--no kidding). Genuine, honest, unbiased information is sorely needed and not from some kook who either knows nothing about real people with real disease, or has a hidden agenda like selling you chelation.

I'd welcome any feedback either through this Blog or through the contact@cureality.com.

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  • Warren

    4/29/2007 6:02:00 PM |

    I agree with the need for some sort of unbiased but brand/manufacturer-oriented guidance.  I guess my question would be, if this content is not based on your specific experience, what criteria would you apply to determine how to assure some level of credibility?  With advertising, the criteria is generally willingness to pay the price of the advertising.  If you want to maintain higher standards than that, won't it require someone with either understanding or technical expertise or direct experience to assess whether the producer is credible and trustworthy?

    As it stands, I am looking for someone whose opinion I can trust regarding which supplement suppliers to turn to.  I have been impressed and surprised by the degree of your willingness to tell it the way you see it, including naming names of product manufacturers that you have found to supply products that seem to work for your patient population.  I hope you'll keep that up no matter what.  And I'm interested in how this idea develops.

  • Dr. Davis

    4/29/2007 8:31:00 PM |

    Thanks for the helpful thoughts.

    I wonder if a user comment method would work. In other words, say a product manufacturer makes a claim and sells their product to you (Track Your Plaque would not sell it), there will be comments from people who have tried the product and their supplier before.

    Such a system would not be as certain as providing our own stamp of endorsement (which we could still do, of course), but it would encourage an open conversation. Hopefully, any undesirable products would be rapidly identified as such.

    My concern is that, with hundreds or thousands of products out there, we end up saying "We've never tried it" all too often.

  • Eugene

    5/1/2007 3:38:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis for as much time and effort that is put in the TYP program, why not i'am sure the snake oil salesman would not want his product under the gun like people on this progran would do, frank discussions on supplements is not a bad thing as a example i'am the person who asked you about PGX fiber, its called WellBeX and is marketed by Natural Factors, one more example would be i use a insulin mimetic R-alpha lipoic acid with biotin (also a very good antioxidant) i can buy the brand name Insulow or i can use a different brand (Glucophase),for less money that does the same thing, being a type 2 i test all of the time and sometimes go days eating the same thing at the same time i know that i can get between 10 and 12 points with either one.  i know their are a lot of supplements but we only talk about a few, and like i said before why not, my biggest concern on buying supplements are they selling what they say they are selling or is it different item that will not work, or is made up with a different material than is is advertized. why not get some add revenue, their are good products out their, Upsher-Smith Slo Niacin, Endurance's Endur-acin SR both are good nicotinic Acid products, Insulow makes a good product, one more example would be the Vitamin Shoppe sells a  good Vitamin D softgel under their store brand this is a good product, but they also sell under their store brand a no flush Niacin in their heart supplement area , this product is worthless for the TYP program, I would say start with the products, that we know, and expand a little at a time, also how about Direct access testing for blood work, i use Lab Corp to get my NMR lipoprofile i'am sure that their are others full speed ahead, I think increased revenue could have some good outcomes
    Eugene

  • Dr. Davis

    5/1/2007 11:54:00 AM |

    Great thoughts.

    I think, if and when we proceed with such a process, that we:

    1) Have some sort of checklist for approval of quality, price, availability, purity, etc. and provide our stamp of approval.

    2) Convey our comments in addition to info provided by the manufacturer or distributor.

    3) Permit all the Track Your Plaque participants to leave their own comments, much like Amazon does with books.

  • Anonymous

    5/4/2007 3:42:00 AM |

    A record holder in plaque reduction has now been acheived.  What brand of supplements was the member using? What brand of fish oil? This is when a recommendation would be welcomed!!

  • Dr. Davis

    5/4/2007 11:36:00 PM |

    Nothing magical: He used Sam's Club fish oil.

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