Lipoprotein(a) treatment alternatives

A question from a reader:


Two years ago, my doctor recommended a comprehensive lipid screening because both of my parents had heart disease. My only blood component way out of line was LP (a) [lipoprotein(a)]. It was 130. According to the lab that conducted the screening, Berkeley Heart Lab, a level above 30 should be cause for concern. I was stunned that mine was more than quadruple the danger level.

I began taking two grams [2000 mg] of niacin a day in addition to the Lipitor I was already taking. The next reading, a few months later, was 87. Over a period of about 18 months, I had a total of four readings from Berkley Heart Lab. My LP (a) fluctuated in the 80-130 range – still way above normal. My doctor said there was little else I could do to control it.

That doctor has since retired. I now see another doctor who uses a different lab. My first LP (a) reading with him a few months ago was 17, which is normal. I am still taking the same amount of niacin and Lipitor and I can’t think of anything that would account for the huge discrepancy. I’m going to have another test again soon.

Is one of the labs giving erroneous readings? If so, how can I tell which? If Berkeley Heart Lab is correct, is there anything I can do about my increased coronary risk due to high LP (a)?

Tom D.

Tom's frustration on the variation of Lp(a) is due to the fact that laboratories run the Lp(a) test by several different techniques and will generate tremendous variation in values. The key is to stick to the same measure over and over from the same lab, else you'll be terribly confused and frustrated. Tom essentially should ignore the value obtained that was unexpectedly low.

Another issue: Lp(a) is a turtle. It responds very slowly. In fact, we rarely check it more than once or twice a year. Check it too soon after a treatment change and it won't fully reflect the effect. You've got to wait at least several months before re-checking.

How about treatment alternatives? They are:

--More niacin. Not my favorite choice, since niacin >2000 mg per day begins to generate more side-effects, but it is a choice. You can go to 4000-5000 per day, but only with your doctor's supervision due to liver effects.

--Testosterone for males. We use topical testosterone from Women's International Pharmacy in Madison, Wisconson. Prescription patches like Testim are also effective.

--Estrogen for females. This is less "clean" than testosterone, introducing questions about endometrial and breast cancer risk, but it is a choice.

--DHEA--A small effect but every little bit can help. We use 25-50 mg per day, depending on blood levels and only if you're 45 years old or older.

--l-carnitine--In my experience, a small effect. It requires 2000 mg per day, which is expensive. Sometimes, an expected large effect develops, so it's worth a try if it fits in your budget.

--Fibrates--These are the drugs Tricor and Lopid. I don't like these agents very much because I think they're weak, including the effect on Lp(a) reduction. But they are choices for you and your doctor.

Lastly, you can simply be guided by your heart scan score. For example, if Tom's initial heart scan score is 200, and he continues his current program and one year later his score is 300, then alternative treatments are worth considering. But what if Tom's score is 189--he's regressed his coronary plaque. Then, who cares what his Lp(a) is?

Another issue to keep in mind is that, in the presence of Lp(a), keeping LDL to very low numbers (e.g., 60 mg/dl) may added value in preventing coronary plaque growth.

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  • Anonymous

    3/13/2010 10:53:24 PM |

    I also have super high little (a) and my other cholesterols are fine.  No heart disease I know of yet, but have had bilateral carotid endarterectomies and now one has re-stenosed in less than a year. (likely scar-tissue, as the older endarterectomy site remains perfectly clear).  I'll get a stent soon.  I take niacin, fish oil, etc.  I, too, was told there's no other treatment, but that is not entirely true.  I have been receiving LDL apheresis every two weeks for a year and it brings my Lp(a) down to mid-twenties from about 120 (rebound?). When diagnosed it was 253.  Apheresis is extreme and is only used in people who have had an "episode" like a stroke, heart attack or related surgery, but I'm pretty sure it's what's keeping me alive and able-bodied.  I hope doctors will become more aware of this option for their patients who really need it.  BTW--it gets my LDL as low as 6 (!) What you said about keeping LDL low is critical; the liver needs LDL to make all that nasty little (a).  Thanks for bringing up the subject!

    Karen P

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    11/2/2010 7:53:17 PM |

    Another issue: Lp(a) is a turtle. It responds very slowly. In fact, we rarely check it more than once or twice a year. Check it too soon after a treatment change and it won't fully reflect the effect. You've got to wait at least several months before re-checking.

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Do statin drugs reduce lipoprotein(a)?

Do statin drugs reduce lipoprotein(a)?

Alex had lipoprotein(a), Lp(a), at a high level. With a heart scan score of 541 at age 53, treatment of this pattern would be crucial to his success.

Part of Alex's treatment program was niacin. However, Alex complained about the niacin "flush" to his primary care physician. So, his doctor told him to stop the niacin and replace it with a statin drug (Vytorin in this case).

Is this a satisfactory replacement? Do statin drugs reduce Lp(a)?

No, they do not. In fact, that's how I often meet people who have Lp(a): Their doctor will prescribe a statin drug for a high LDL cholesterol that results in a poor response. The patient will be told that statin drugs don't work for them. In reality, they have Lp(a) concealed in the LDL that makes the LDL resistant to treatment.

Lp(a) responds to a limited number of treatments, like niacin, testosterone, estrogen, and DHEA. But not to statin drugs.

Now, statin drugs may still pose a benefit through LDL reduction. But they do virtually nothing for the Lp(a) itself. Unfortunately, most practicing physicians rarely go any farther than Lipitor, Zocor, Vytorin, and the like.

If your doctor tries to shove a statin drug on you as a treatment for Lp(a), put up a fight. Voice your objections that statins do not reduce Lp(a).

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  • Rich

    8/25/2007 1:19:00 AM |

    As an Lp(a)-er, I'm very interested in Dr. Davis's guidance on this topic.

    Here's a question to which there may be no answer right now:

    The makers of Krill Oil have published a paper in a c-level journal claiming spectacular improvements in LDL and HDL.
    http://www.neptunebiotech.com/clinicalstudies.html
    If this is true, I wonder if Lp(a) might be improved by this stuff?

  • Dr. Davis

    8/25/2007 2:54:00 AM |

    Hi, Rich--

    Yes, you are right: there's simply insufficient information.

    I do hope that krill oil provides benefits above and beyond fish oil, but we need to develop an experience with it first.

  • aspTrader

    8/28/2007 9:03:00 PM |

    Thanks for this blog.

    High LP(a) levels run in my family although I don't have a problem with it.  I have a brother who has had a chronically high LP(a) number (between 70 and 90) for a number of years and had a mild heart attack 10 years ago at age 42 and a triple by-pass (no heart attack) 5 years ago.

    He is now doing 80mg Lipitor and 10mg Zetia and tabs of pomegranate extracts and his LDL is now at 85.  (I guess one partial treatment is to get LDL as low as possible.)

    I do a google search for LP(a) treatments every few months and, of course, there isn't anything appearing to be proven to get the LP(a) number into the normal range.

    For a while now, I've read online about massive doses of C, Lysine, etc. discussed at sites like that shown at the following link.

    http://www.saveyourheart.com/ingredients_heartsupplementingredients.html

    This is essentially what I understand to be the Pauling/Rath treament recommendation for LP(a) treatment.  A good deal of the discussion at the site and at Rath's site is informative and convincing.

    However, it's difficult to understand why this treatment hasn't been studied in a scientific study (or maybe I'm mistaken and it has).

    What do you think about it?

    Thanks.

  • Dr. Davis

    8/28/2007 9:15:00 PM |

    The Rath-Pauling approach has not worked in our limited experience. We've not witnessed any substantial drop in lipoprotein(a).

    However, I would stress that, despite the difficulties presented by lipoprotein(a), it can be a very controllable genetic pattern. In fact, our current record holder for plaque regression (63% drop in heart scan score) has this pattern.

    I invite you to read the full conversation about the methods we use on the Track Your Plaque website.

  • Anonymous

    8/29/2007 3:30:00 AM |

    Thanks for your comments.

    Regarding the Heart Scan Test...  I have read that a person who has had stents implanted or a bypass cannot take the test.

    Is there some other means for establishing a baseline score for existing plaque?

    Thanks again.

  • Dr. Davis

    8/29/2007 12:29:00 PM |

    Carotid ultrasound is a crude second choice as an index of bodywide atherosclerosis. It is a relatively non-quantitative test that correlates only about 60-70% with coronary disease, but that is the only other truly practical gauge. If you've had only one artery stented, however, a CT heart scan can still be performed and yield useful information.

  • Mid Life Male in CA

    8/29/2007 1:17:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Every year or so for the last 10 years, I have spent a couple of days googling and browsing the 'net to try to figure out the latest and greatest heart related therapies for myself and my family.  (High LP(a) being a significant issue.)

    Since the last time I did this, you came online with this blog and through it I discovered TrackYourPlague.

    I would just like to say Thank You for sharing your insight online.  Given my history, it has struck me that my understanding of effective therapies were different and sometimes even on a par with the medical professionals I was seeing.  In fact, the head of the patient cholesterol support center at the large HMO--you'd recognize the name if I mentioned the name--I belong to once even told me that I knew more about these therapies than she did.

    A few years ago, in speaking with my cardiologist, I mentioned some of the scientific abstracts I had read for myself about possible new high LP(a) treatments and he told me that I appeared to know more than he did about them.

    Scary !

    You likely are clear about this, but I'd like to tell you again how much the kind of information you provide is incredibly helpful.

    Your work can be literally life saving for people in need who take the time to address their heart related issues in a serious way!

    Thank you.

  • Dr. Davis

    8/29/2007 2:04:00 PM |

    Thanks, kindly, Midlife Male!

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    Now, statin drugs may still pose a benefit through LDL reduction. But they do virtually nothing for the Lp(a) itself. Unfortunately, most practicing physicians rarely go any farther than Lipitor, Zocor, Vytorin, and the like.

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  • Alex L

    10/4/2011 1:00:19 AM |

    I had a quadruple bypass 2 years ago. I've followed the Pauling/Rath protocol for 6 months with 12 grams ascorbic, 6 grams lysine and 3 grams proline daily. However, I just had blood lab work done and was concerened that my Lp(a) score was 275. I thought that the ascorbic/lysine combination targeted Lp(a). This issue is critical to me because vein graft patency from bypass is a function of Lp(a) levels. Any suggestions on how I can lower Lp(a) and any opinion as to why my Lp(a) score would be so high even after 6 months on ascorbic & lysine?

  • Dr. William Davis

    10/4/2011 2:37:44 AM |

    Hi, Alex--

    Sadly, I have yet to see any effect from this Pauling/Rath protocol.

    In the Track Your Plaque program, our preferred starting regimen is high-dose fish oil, i.e., 6000 mg EPA + DHA per day, but it requires up to 2-3 years to work. There are several other strategies worth considering, all discussed on the site.

  • Alex L

    10/7/2011 1:12:03 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    I've looked all over the trackyourplaque website, but I can't find what specific advice you are referring to to reduce Lp(a). Can you please be more specific, or furnish the link? I appreciate any advice you might have. Thanks!

  • Dee

    10/7/2011 10:49:50 PM |

    I tried the Pauling/Rath protacol for six months and my LP{a} was much worse.  I take niacin and fish oil.

    Dee

  • Dr. William Davis

    10/7/2011 11:01:05 PM |

    Hi, Dee--

    I, too, have yet to see any affect from this protocol.

    Perhaps it's telling that Mathias Rath is currently trying to persuade South Africans that the AIDS epidemic there is the invention of the western world.

  • Dr. William Davis

    10/8/2011 2:22:10 AM |

    Hi, Alex--

    It's all in the Library. There are several detailed Special Reports devoted to Lp(a).

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Can procedures alone keep you alive?

Can procedures alone keep you alive?

My days in the hospital remind me of what heart disease can be like when no preventive efforts are taken--what it used to be like even with my patients before taking a vigorous approach to prevention (though over 12 years ago).

Several cardiologists in my hospital, for instance, express skepticism that heart disease prevention works at all. Yes, they know about the statin cholesterol drug trials. But they claim that, given their experience with the power of coronary disease to overpower an individual's control, statin drugs are just "fluff". Coronary disease is a powerful process that can only begin to be harnessed with major procedures, i.e., a mechanical approach.

So these cardiologists routinely have their patients in the hospital, often once a year, sometimes more, for heart catheterization and "fixing" whatever requires fixing: balloon angioplasty, stents, various forms of atherectomy. Year in, year out, these patients return for their "maintenance" procedures. Their cardiologists maintain that this approach works. The patients go on eating what they like, taking little or no nutritional supplements, and medications prescribed by their primary care physicians for blood pressure, etc. But no real effort towards heart disease prevention beyond these minimal steps.

Can this work? Very little at-home, preventive efforts, but periodic "maintenance" procedures?

It can, perhaps, for a relatively short time of a few years, maybe up to 10 years. But it crumbles after this. The disease eventaully overwhelms the cardiologist's ability to stent or balloon this or that, since it has progressed and plaque has growth diffusely the entire period that maintenance procedures have been performed. In addition, acute illness still occurs with some frequency--in other words, plaque rupture is not affected just because there's a stent in the artery upstream or downstream.

Not to mention this can be misery on you and your life, with risk incurred during each procedure. It's also terribly expensive, with hospitalization easily costing $25,000-$50,000 or more each time. (Compare that to a $250 or so CT heart scan.)


As people become more aware of the potential tools for prevention of heart disease, fewer are willing to submit to the archaic and barbaric practice of "maintenance" heart procedures in lieu of prevention. But it still goes on. If you, or anybody you know, are on this pointless and doomed path, find a new doctor.




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