Is Jimmy still eating eggs for every meal in order to lose weight?

Dr. Davis, How true is this statement?
"before resorting to muscle tissue, the body will burn fat. If you have no body fat, (or even very little of it), then eating carbohydrates is a good idea. If there is fat to burn, it will be burned first. Our entire body runs on sugar, but you can turn fat into sugar and sugar into fat, depending on the current needs of the body"

No - he is off the eggs, but somewhere up around 282lbs.  Jimmy is indeed a great connector and does well with podcasts and interviews but his own diet - and as a consequence his weight - remains a problem.  He remains obese and as such is not a great advert for low carb.

THANKS for the plug for my new "Fan Club" associated with my podcast, Dr. Davis.  I certainly hope to indeed connect fans of "The Livin' La Vida Low-Carb Show" with more of the behind-the-scenes happenings to get them involved in the interview process, share transcripts of past episodes, and even let them hear sneak peak audio of not-yet-aired podcasts.  I'm excited to make this little something extra available to those who want more.

As for the the anonymous criticism about my weight, yes I weigh more than I would like to at this moment.  This is not a secret and I've been quite candid about this publicly because there are many who face the same frustrations of doing everything right and yet seeing very little progress on the scale.  While I'm seeking to rectify those issues by lowering my calories to 1800/daily and engaging in regular exercise, the fact remains my health is immaculate.

High HDL, low triglycerides, low percentage of Small LDL particles, stable blood sugar, normal blood pressure, a heart scan score of ZERO, abundant energy and so much more.  While the focus tends to be on weight as the key measurement in someone being healthy, I think that's as shortsighted as telling someone a low-fat, high-carb diet is the only way to lose weight and be healthy.  Again, I'd like to weigh less than I do now but it's difficult to argue that the way I'm eating isn't making me healthier than when I weighed 400+ pounds in 2004 on three prescription medications.

Re: Jimmy's weight - it's Jimmy's business!  The guy does a massive amount of work, as highlighted by Dr Davis' post, promoting the many and varied strains of low carb eating, and he does so because he has first-hand experience of the benefits of doing so.  Sure HE might not want to be where HE wants to be with HIS weight, but it isn't like he is ht eonly guy pushing the low carb mantra and peddling snack oil is it?

Jimmy, I'd have no doubt you could get to where you wanted to be (or closer to it at least), if you gave up on the stuff that you do.  But the rest of us would be poorer for it.  A run a very small and very much part-time blog in this field and if I put in the amount of time Jimmy does with all his work, I doubt I would be able to maintain the other aspects of my life that I enjoy so much.  It is a sacrifice Jimmy makes.

One last thing, and Jimmy may disagree with me on this... At one point in time, Jimmy's lifestyle lead him down the obesity pathway.  One aspect of this, and one that I try to promote in my line of work, is if you go down that road, there is no guarantee you can come back out of it.  Things like the consumption of industrial seed oils can lead to fat cell hypertrophy & hyperplasia... size AND number of fat cells increase.  Stay in this state long enough, and there is high chance you will never fully undo the damage done.  You can certainly imporve your health biomarkers as Jimmy has obviously done.  But you might not necessarily be able to return to an ultrathin body, no matter how much you desire it.  There is a degree of ingorance from people who just automatically assume that because one is eating low carb, they should look like a Crossfitter all the time and failure to do so means that low carbing is a failure also.

Well said Jamie!  I totally agree.

Nothing measures up when compared to perfection. It's better to compare real-life choices and their likely consequences whenever possible.

If someone was 400+ pounds and on medications on their old diet, and 120 pounds lighter, energetic and off the medications on a different diet, the different diet must have some benefits. I prefer to think in terms of progress, not perfection.

Jimmy, Jamie and Lori


AMEN !!!!


Sue

I know Jimmy personally and he is a sincere, hard-working nice guy.

We are all learning new lessons in nutrition and how to manage diet, navigating all the landmines in the commercial food that we are sold.

Jimmy's unquestioned role in this has been to facilitate the discussion, bringing differing viewpoints from interesting people like Gary Taubes and Jeff Volek.

Personally, I am grateful that we have someone like Jimmy Moore who acts as amiable host to our discussions.

i love Jimmy's podcasts. In fact i subscribe via itunes. He never fails to have intelligent guests. Especially in the last year or two he has had many paleo people which is great. I like to see the focus on good-health-all-around entering into his lowcarb world, rather than the sole goal of weightloss that i feel many atkinsers etc have. Anyway, he's doing a great job. and he has been for quite some time now. His weight? Who cares. Jimmy, dont sweat it! you've lost all that, your health numbers look great and you are leading a life that benefits many. I think you can be satisfied.

Train wreck/drama queen. Needs to lift free weights or join a cross fit gym…quit making excuses..

"Train wreck/drama queen...quit making excuses..."

You got that right!

Thank you so much Jimmy for the help you provide to all of us.
I am an uruguayan and follow your podcast from Uruguay LA.
Thanks again.
Jose.

If not for Jimmy Moore I would never have heard of Dr Davis, Mark Sisson, Stephan Guyenet, Robb Wolf, Dr Briffa, Fred Hahn and so many others.  I would never in a million years have thought to include strength training in my lifestyle.  I wouldn't have learned about the impact of sleep on health and mood.  Without the information Jimmy Moore brought into my life, I'd still be Vitamin D deficient, undermuscled, underslept and unhealthy.  Instead I've grown strength and muscle, ditched lifelong allergies and have had only one cold in the last three years.  (I work in healthcare and get coughed/sneezed upon constantly, so this is no insignificant fact.)

Jimmy is humble, funny, candid and generous.  Sure, we'd all like to include "stunning physique" in our list of personal qualities, but some of us just have to be satisfied with excellent health and an ongoing commitment to pursue optimal body composition.

For me, Jimmy Moore is a treasure.

Kudos to Jimmy for all his good work. I completely agree with Jamie above.

Anonymous trolls, just go away, or at least show a little spine and put your name.

Tony K

Dr. Davis,
The question arises - why has nature put the gliadin protein in a seed. If it is an appetite stimulant it is likely a predator will want more and more of it. That is not in the interest of the seed whose purpose is to propagate itself. Please let us know your thoughts.  Thank you for all that you do.

The elimination of wheat may or may not have been what decreased my appetite enough to allow me to lose 100 lbs without much effort, but I did notice one effect that was even more important to me. I wrote about the complete remission of crippling arthritis in my post on http://guestdietblog.com/2011/05/a-story-about-gluten/

This hasn't been true for me. Your advice has helped me improve my cholesterol profile dramatically, lower my fasting blood sugar, lower my blood pressure, etc. However, there's been no change in my appetite, and I eat a larger volume of food now because I cut down on some high calorie foods like butter, cheese, etc.

I too have noticed the diminished appetite, but also I have noticed a new and very pleasant feeling *after* eating. The feeling of fullness... of having had enough food, without the overstuffed feeling that I used to experience.
It is truely a nice, warm, satisflied feeling.
Going from a size 16 to a size 4 jeans is a nice feeling as well!

I did notice an appetite reduction. Hubby did not. Maybe because I'd had a freaky bingey appetite and he never had...well...more noticeable. I could eat 5K calories a day, EASY, if I had wheat back in. For sure.  I do fine with 1500, 1600 now.

One item I don't see mentioned here is heartburn.  I used to have severe episodes when I'd have to down a bunch of Tums and milk to deal with them, and they could occur anytime day or night.  I stopped eating wheat about 2 years ago,  for other reasons, and it took me about 2 months before I realized I wasn't having anymore heartburn episodes.  The occasional times my stomach might feel upset, I just drink water and it goes away.  Even though I've been free of these for the last 2 years, I still carry Tums around with me because I'm still paranoid it's going to happen again.

Kurt, are you eating enough fats and proteins? I went paleo about a year ago, and I increased fats and protein. Lost almost 30lbs and my hunger is just as described in this post.

It had a similar effect on my heartburn. I find it fascinating that one of the causes of heartburn is completely missed by my doctor and generally, the medical establishment. I also believe that I was eating much more, (due to appetite alterations, food reward, etc.), my full stomach, and excess fat also played a role in exacerbating the symptoms. Target the etiology and the problem vanishes. Much improved over targeting the symptoms allowing the precipitant to return again and again and again . . . .

Wow, I never put wheat and heartburn together, but now that they've been brought up together, I believe wheat may have been causing my heartburn too, which reappears whenever I fall off the wheat-wagon. BTW, whenever I fall off the wheat-wagon, my hypoglycemic symptoms are more likely to reappear too.

Hi Howard,
+/- 4% of the cell protein in wheat grain is LEA (late embryo-genesis abundant protein) that helps the plant bear up without osomotic failure when temperatures drop & also keeps the grain proteins from melding together when conditions get very dry. Modern wheat breeding has manipulated LEA protein conformations to improve crop cultivation habits; I think this fits into what Doc calls a "frankengrain" .

The group 3 variety of LEA protein's high molecular weight molecules are not broken down readily by proteo-lysis in the gut . When they are taken up by the body the LEA protein is capable of "sensitizing" some individuals to it like an antigen irritant. We don't know what precise amino acid wings the LEA we ingest in a modern wheat breed have. And stripping gluten from the grain doesn't necessarily mean the LEA molecule is also removed.

LEA can bind to IgE (immunolo-globulin E) from our joint's synovial mast cells. The subsequent release of histamine in the joint tissue incurs the auto-immune  response of  inflammation with  subsequent pain. I think LEA  "sensitization" is what you experience as arthritis due to wheat..

For me, one of the effects of elimination of wheat was the  disappearing of dandruff. My dandruff was really bad and no special shampoos or treatments could alleviate the problem. A few months after giving up wheat,  I noticed that I no longer had dandruff!!!!  I even kept my hair unwashed for nearly a month, yet my hair remained dandruff free. Nowadays I wash my hair once a week instead of every day.

Yeah, but chasing symptoms rather than looking for causes is the modus operandi of the entire US medical system. Well, most of it anyway.  Don't try to figure out what's causing the problem, just throw another drug at it.

Yup. (and yup and yup and YUP)

Just started eliminating wheat and reducing high carb foods around Thanksgiving. My fasting blood sugar used to be around 150; now it's 123. I actually have blood sugar readings after meals that are between 95-115. Once in awhile I get hungry, but I don't crave sweets like I used to. This program overall feels like something I can make a permanent change to.

Hi D. Felilx,
Dandruff relief from quitting wheat is likely due to eliminating the non-digestible wheat protein fragments  that you were sensitive to. Those wheat fragments had been going on to bind with  IgE put out from local basophils (basophils are +/- 0.6%, or 0.006,  of our bone marrow generated white blood cells). The degree of itchy scalp is a factor of the amount of histamine put out from those basophils. Usually a itch response is to hot extremes of both water and air; but some are wired to itch in response to cold extremes of water/air.

When wheat protein fragments activate the basophil's IgE this causes the hair follicle wall to respond in an immunological manner & inflammatory cells in the follicle wall hold more sebum oil; with different dandruff results. In most individuals that sebum oil isn't used enough to normally  re-lubricate the surrounding scalp because the local increase of  sebum fatty acids gets taken advantage of and hijacked by the common scalp  yeast Pithyrosporum ovale. With the fast replication of lipo-phylic (fat loving)  P. ovale there is a lot of new progeny & sloughing off of  obsolete P. ovale cells, plus shed (lipid deprived) skin cells that we see as small "snowy" dandruff ; & this is usually accompanied by itching. The other situation is when the building up sebum seeps  to the surrounding scalp skin &  in this case the dandruff manifests as thick scales that usually doesn't provoke much itching; this is a scalp seborrhea & has a genetic predisposition to run in some families.

I don't think that wheat is aware that humans are a "predator."

And the gliadin protein of modern wheat is not the natural form; it is the form created by geneticists.

The relief from acid reflux and "heartburn" is a very frequent accompaniment to elimination of wheat, as is relief from the cramps and diarrhea of "irritable bowel syndrome."

Of course, it makes you wonder what else wheat is capable of in the gastrointestinal tract if this occurs so commonly.

This has happened to enough people, Dacia, that I believe it is likely to be a real association.

This is a lesson I've learned about here and other online forums, as it's not something I purposely track in the office experience.

This is yet another manifestation of how incredibly varied the skin expression of wheat's health disruptive effects can be.

Excellent, Calma!

Just keep going!

What about oat bran and steel cut oat meal? Are they as bad as wheat. They are supposed to be good for cutting LDL.
Thanks

Why would wheat be a pre curser to heart burn? I too suffer from bad heart burn on a regular basis and I can't seem to stop it.

Yes, I am eating enough fats and proteins.

No you are not...eat more butter and cheese!  Preferably from grass fed animals, as the "fat profile"  is proven MUCH better for human consumption.   Fat will NOT ruin your health...though it will ruin your cholesterol reading with those "cheapy" tests that ESTIMATE LDL measures.  NMR profiles are generally improved.   Check into Dr. Davis's archives for more on these topics.
Yum.  Loves me some FAT!

I believe you have a problem.
I am not receiving your blog posts.
Feedburner notifies me that my email addresses is in your database, but I receive no email notifications from your site.
This has been a problem since you changed your site several months ago. Before that time I was receiving your emails.
Could you look into this issue please?

Regards, Carl

Oat products do not provoke appetite nor abnormal intestinal permeability like wheat. However, oats send your blood sugar sky-high. That's why we avoid it.

When I saw my Doctor eight months ago and told her my weight loss had stalled, she smiled and said "well you have  just reached an age where you can't loose a weight", and prescribed me a statin. In a sense she was right. Post 50+ the hormones are running against you. Well I'm now 28 lbs lighter, and at the lower end of my BMI and my tummy almost flat. Thanks basically to intermittent fasting, keeping the carbs down, oh and elimination wheat. The statin prescription went in the bin by the way,

A more general end-of-year thanks to you, Dr Davis, for the work you have done on the blog, and on Wheat Belly. I believe your work in practical preventative medicine is quite brilliant, and way ahead of its time.

I have read every post, and look forward to reading more from you in 2012.

Many Thanks

Dr. I have to take cranberry juice, (organic, concentrate, no sugar) for Urinary track infection,  BS goes to 119-127)  what to do?
Also, D- Mannose, helps also, but know its a sugar?
Prescribed Cipro, but cautious to take after reading side effects.

Yes, Doctor, I also want to thank you for the "against the grain" courageous stance you've taken!!!!!
Much happiness and joy for you and your family in the year ahead.

Sorry, my question is off-topic.
But my father just had a stress test done because he had chest pain when exercising. Unfortunately, the test results were positive (abnormal). His doctor suggested doing Coronary angiography and possibly putting a stent in. As well as adding a beta-blocker. My father is already taking a statin.
These results really scared me. What should he do to reduce the risk of a heart attack? Would you recommend any additional tests? Is it worth it to make a heart scan in this case?

Thank you very much!!!!

Low carb is fine and doing so has "normalized" my blood sugar, reduced my hemoroid, increased hair growth and decreased nasel infections.  However, in doing a diet anaylsis I find I am eating 120 to 170 grams of protein, because of the addition of meat of all kinds and also cheese to my diet, which according to several other sources, Dr. Rosedale for one, is detremental.  If I limit my protein to 1 gm per kg of weight , I have seen recommended several places, plus a little becasue of my rather rigerous excercise program, I would be at 70 gm of protein per day.  Yesterday I did that, and I literally have to eat either olive oil or coconut oil by the tablespoon to get my calorie level up to 2200 or so to maintain my weight at 145 lbs and that is after 4 tbls of oil cooking two eggs in the morning!  Does Dr. Davis's protocal have any limits on protein?  My wife thinks I'm nuts eating coconut oil, which melts in ones mouth and is actually quite tasty.

Dec. 2012  The Journal of the Norwegian Medical Association report of Arnold Berstad & Jørgen Valeur of Lovisenberg Diakonale Hospital explain that a meal's glucose monitored in the stomach registers in the brainstem which then reflexively signals the muscles in the stomach wall to relax.
Quote: “... it can decrease the pressure on the stomach and reduce the sensation of being full....The problem is that ...the brakes on carbohydrate consumption are five metres further down, at the lower end of the small intestine....Fat, however, is absorbed higher up in the system and triggers a high-placed brake. It makes you quickly full."

Journal's date should be 2011 Dec.

I have eliminated wheat and all sugars & carbs for about 6 months. I have lost almost 30# (from 200 to 173) in those 6 months. But now I am stalled. I have been at 173 for almost a month and have done nothing different. I want to lose another 10-15#. I am 5' 6" and still have some abdomal buldge. My weight loss was an almost straight line down for 6 months. What causes this plateau? I understand that my caloric needs will have changed due to the loss of 30# and I have adjusted for that. Anyone have any ideas?

Hi James,
      I can only relate an interpretation of my experimentation this last year plus. Since I never have struggled with my weight it may not translate to others. My goal was mainly to see what changes were possible in MNR tests of lipid particles I could achieve with Doc's insight (excellent results I'd say).
       I recently completed several months when my only fat intake daily was a combination of coconut oil (2 tablespoons daily , as 28 grams total fat) , plus fish oil (4.5 grams total fat, as 1 teaspoon = 1.5 gr. EPA + 0.75 gr. DHA), plus 90% chocolate's cocoa butter (60 grams, as 33 grams total fat), plus some olive and restaurants' cooking oils. And I also specify that there was no intake of animal fat (ie: no meat) , fowl fat  (ie: no chicken or eggs) or dairy fat (ie: only fat free dairy) - unless a restaurant used some in their food preparation.
       My experience without any low calorie restraint, nor over eating,  was that I lost weight and  continued to do so beyond what I find suitable. In other words I had to periodically resort to over ingesting carbohydrate calories to stop from getting too thin. Of course I made sure to keep my daily protein intake consistently high enough all throughout the year.
     When I started my experiment it was by daily using only 1 tablespoon of  raw unrefined coconut oil  & lost weight at nights.  I took my first ever MNR test after a handfull of months of this.
     After the initial MNR test I added the daily 1 teaspoon of fish oil , kept to the 1 tablespoon coconut oil (14 gr. fat) , but an irregular chocolate intake was daily limited to 40 grams (22 gr. fat) &  even lost more weight. I took a 2nd MNR test after 4 months of that to see what was doing with my lipids.
     Then I upped the daily raw coconut oil to 2 tablespoons, chocolate up to regularly 60 grams & kept fish oil at same 4.5 grams for 7 months before I took a 3rd MNR test . It was during this latest stretch of experimentation that I sometimes needed to regulate my weight upwards by deliberately adding back more carbohydrates - & I was not pursuing a daily very low carb intake anyway.
      All that staged experimentation seems to indicate that using coconut oil as my primary fat is what drove my weight loss. When I added in fish oil the weight loss rate was not noticeably accelerated & I can't distinguish it from the pattern  begun with coconut oil. However when I eventually  went up to 2 tablespoons of coconut oil daily I sometimes had to fight to just hold on to my weight. The chocolate intake seems to be less of a factor in my weight loss.
      So retrospectively, in my case I think the exclusion of animal/fowl/dairy fat kept certain specific fatty acids out of play and then the distinct fatty acids in coconut oil were both metabolized and incorporated in unique ways that resulted in sustained weight loss for me. I was concerned  that 2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day might be excessive yet last MNR done is superb (I don't seem to be ApoE 4).
     Doc, you may know, has several posts about using finger stick testing of your blood sugar before and after meals. He explains how to use a simple home glucose meter to know which meals spike your blood sugar and lose weight by controlling after eating glucose "excursions".

Hi S. Sinderson,
Since Doc hasn't answered you about his protein protocol yet this may orientate you. Protein intake can't exceed the ability of liver enzymes to make urea as a consequence of liver's nitrogen metabolism. Basically, if one is healthy,  beyond 3.9 grams protein daily per kg. of our body weight we can't  urinate all nitrogen "waste" from the kidneys adequately.
1973 Rudman set a periodic daily physiologically safe upper limit of 3.8 gr./kg one weighs (ie: not always every day) .... 2000 Metges calculated a top long term daily protein limit should be 2 gr/kg one weighs .... 1996 Eades pegged exercisers wanting to lose weight should use 1.7 gr./kg one weighs....2010 Speth analysis of paleo-anthropology suggests no more than 35% of calories were ever from protein (ie: less than 3.9 gr/kg hunter weighed daily).

So.........
Has this blog been abandoned by Dr. Davis, in favor of the Wheat Belly blog?

Hi Might - regarding your 12/24 post on the coconut oil, etc. experiement.  If you did not eat dairy, meat, fowl or eggs (?) for protein what did you eat for protein.  I am very curious because I have been in a stall for a loooonnngggg time (about 6 months).  I also take coconut oil daily (2 tsp) and Omega 3 fish oil (950 mg of EPA & DHA combined).  I also should mention that I am diabetic (T2).  My carb intake is 30-60 grams per day.
I am trying to find a way to break this stall and your post intrigued me greatly.  
Thank you,

Hi Laura,
    I buy 1 gallon of fat free milk & culture it into Kefir, which I then drain the whey from and go on to eat the milk solids. I roughly weigh the kefir "quark" that goes into the refrigerator because each batch will have it's own variable amount of whey remaining . Once I know the batch weight I do a simple calculation to divide the  total weight of that batch by 6 to know roughly how much protein is in a 1/6th portion.
    When I know much 1/6 of the kefir quark made from tthat 1 gallon of milk I will then eat one of those 1/6th proportioned amounts in the morning, again during the day a  2nd 1/6th amount  and  then a 3rd  final 1/6th amount of the kefir quark.  
   The result is that in 1 single day the milk solids are equal to 1/2 gallon of fat free milk.  I approximate this as containing, in total,  around 70 grams of protein which for me is a good minimum protein requirement . Then any other protein I eat in the day is not crucial & usually in form of nuts, hummus or  some stray egg ingredient which can't measure reliably. I think my daily protein consumption is around 120 grams or more protein daily  (I certainly am not eating only 1 gram protein per kg of my weight).
     In terms of people stalling on low carb & pseudo-paleo diets I do have some nuanced ideas if you'd like, but I don't know how applicable the research might be. It isn't like a formula & needs longer context to elaborate .

Hi Laura,
Please see what I also tagged you at Doc's next thread (1st in 2012) on this same blog.

Dr. Davis....what do you say to people who claim they are emotional eaters and can eat over the "no appetite" feeling?
Thanks.

nothing satisfies hunger better than homemade beef or chicken stock,with beef being the best. One of my diet secrest when doing my low carb/Paleo regiment.

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