The case against vitamin D2

Why would vitamin D be prescribed when vitamin D3 is available over-the-counter?

Let's review the known differences between vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol) and vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol):

--D3 is the human form; D2 is the non-human form found in plants.

--Dose for dose, D3 is more effective at raising blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D than D2. It requires roughly twice to 250% of the dose of D2 to match that of D3 (Trang H et al 1998).

--D2 blood levels don't yield long-term sustained levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D as does D3. When examined as a 28-day area under the curve (AUC--a superior measure of biologic exposure), D3 yields better than a 300% increased potency compared to D2. This means that it requires around 50,000 units D2 to match the effects of 15,000 units D3 (Armas LA et al 2004).

--D2 has lower binding affinity for vitamin D-binding protein, compared to D3

--Mitochondrial vitamin D 25-hydroxylase converts D3 to the 25-hydroxylated form five times more rapidly than D2.

--As we age, the ability to metabolize D2 is dramatically reduced, while D3 is not subject to this phenomenon (Harris SS et al 2002).




From Armas LA, Hollis BW, Heaney RP 2004


While there are dissenters on this view, the bulk of evidence suggests that D2 is an inferior form of D3.

Then why is D2 prescribed by many doctors when the natural, human, and superior D3 is available over-the-counter?

You already know the answer: Much of your doctor's education did not come from scientific lectures nor from reading scientific studies. It came from the pretty drug representative in the waiting room who hands the doctor reprints of the "studies" performed by the drug industry to support the use of their drugs. There is no such nutritional supplement representative in the waiting room. This preference for the "drug" D2 over the supplement D3 also stems from the inherent preference of physicians for things they can control, whether or not there is proof of superiority.

In my view, there is absolutely no reason to take vitamin D2 over D3 except to enrich the drug industry.

Comments (40) -

  • Barkeater

    8/11/2009 1:08:02 PM |

    I recently had a discussion with a relative who got a prescription for Vitamin D.  (This after I bought her a Vitamin D test from Grassroots showing a level of 19.)  I told her the prescription was a bad idea as it was surely Vitamin D2.  She looked into it and came back and told me, no, it was D3.  I have not seen it, but I am asking now - is it really true that prescriptions are invariably D2?  She claimed it was 50k IU of D3, once a week.

    Separately, I see it stated here and there that the Vitamin D added to milk is D2.  Most milk labels I see show it as D3.

  • Anne

    8/11/2009 2:41:22 PM |

    A bit of information that the drug reps don't tell the physician is people need to be on a maintenance dose. I have seen so many people who were prescribed D2 for a few months. Once the vitamin D level rose to over 30, they were told they could discontinue taking the D2.

    One person told me that she had started and stopped D2 three times. She said her doctor could not figure out why her vitamin D level keeps dropping when the D is stopped. At least she was retested. The other people who were told to stop taking D2, were never retested once their D hit "normal".  

    I have a friend who told her doctor she would get her vitamin D as D3 OTC. She said he expressed surprise that it could be bought without a prescription.

  • Richard A.

    8/11/2009 5:06:19 PM |

    The study you site appears to use the dry form of vitamin D3.

  • Tony Kenck

    8/11/2009 5:06:41 PM |

    So is D2 a prescription medicine?

  • TedHutchinson

    8/11/2009 5:13:14 PM |

    Here is an abstract providing an example of the total lack of effect of D2 in a patient.
    The lack of vitamin D toxicity with megadose of daily ergocalciferol (D2) therapy:
    The maximum daily dose of vitamin D currently recommended is 2000 IU. Ergocalciferol (D2) 50,000 IU orally weekly for 8-12 weeks is often used to treat vitamin D deficient patients (25(OH) vitamin D <20 ng/mL).
    The lack of vitamin D toxicity after massive doses of ergocalciferol has yet to be reported in the literature.
    We report a case of a 56-year-old woman who received supratherapeutic doses of ergocalciferol (150,000 IU orally daily) for 28 years without toxicity. We discuss the possible mechanisms which may account for a lack of toxicity despite intake of massive daily doses of ergocalciferol in this patient.


    The sad aspect to this story is that as Vitamin D2 at that ridiculously high intake didn't do her harm, it's also probable that her body did not recognise it at all, so it probably didn't do her any good either. As there have been other accounts of people taking large (but not as huge as this case) amounts of D2 and it not having any noticeable effect on Vitamin d deficiency symptoms it seems just pointless to risk using it, when there is a cheaper, more reliable, alternative readily available.

  • billye

    8/11/2009 8:23:28 PM |

    I think it is up to the patient who is tuned in to this fine blog and several other like minded blogs who preach as you do, such  as "nephropal.blogspot.com" to bring your information to their primary doctors.  My primary doctor still takes a Staten drug even though he knows and marvels at the health gains that I have achieved through supplementation with high dose vitamin D3 and high dose omega 3fish oil, along with a cave man like diet.  I asked him why he take a Staten drug when they work by increasing his vitamin D level? I said just take vitamin D3 instead of the Staten drug.  His answer was that he only takes a little Staten drug.  When he found my wife to be vitamin D deficient, he in fact ordered a script for vitamin D2.  I insisted that she take OTC vitamin D3 and after a tussle he gave in.  

    I am sorry to say that only we the patients can change the system.  I don't blame the very over worked primary care physicians who have no time to read the necessary science.  We the patients have to bring the relevant data to them.  After all it's our health that is being impacted.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/11/2009 10:53:05 PM |

    Bark--

    There is indeed a prescription D3.

    Now, why a prescription form is necessary is beyond me. I suppose we could make prescription vitamin C, too, and charge $120 per month.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/11/2009 10:53:51 PM |

    Hi, Anne-

    Yes, I also see this incredible blunder occuring around me.

    I'm not sure what they're thinking.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 12:28:05 AM |

    Vitamin D3 1000 IU 240 tablets per bottle x 2 bottles purchased from Costco is dirt cheap.  $5.20 Cdn.  Very cheap $ U.S. dollars.

    I take 3,000 to 5,000 IU daily and associate it with stopping hot flashes.

    Inadvertently 'experiments' by running out of D3 for several weeks at a time resulted in really terrific hot flashes. Nothing is quite as unpleasant as having a hot flash as soon as I wake up, for example. Clearly I have not done double blind studies.  I am (sort of) menopausal.  No periods from September 2008 to June 2009.  Now, back. Frown

    No vitamin D3 intake during summer of 2008:  terrible terrible hot flahses. Then started taking D3 3000 IU in August 2008. Ran out of D3 sometime in Januray.  Hot flashes started up sometime later.  However, no hot flashes since end of March 2009.  No hot flashes from September to January.  Stopped taking D3 because too lazy to go to Costco to buy more.  Then started taking D3 and then stopped with the hot flashes and have not had another one in months even though obviously the hormones are fluctuating.

    I used to think that HRT would stop hot flashes.  HRT does nothing for the hot flashes.  Vitamin D3 appears to work much more effectively.  

    Dr. G. Kadar
    Toronto, Canada

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/12/2009 1:58:52 AM |

    Dr. Kadar--

    Fascinating observation!

    Any other ladies who've made similar observations? Or perhaps taken vitamin D yet continued to experience hot flashes?

  • Anne

    8/12/2009 2:31:35 AM |

    Tony ~ D2 can be bought as an OTC too.

    Dr. Kader ~ I have a co-worker who says her hot flashes disappear when she takes vitamin D.
    Anne

  • Peter

    8/12/2009 9:58:46 AM |

    I wonder if there is any research on your view that the tablets don't work, only the gelcaps, for raising vitamin D levles.  It seems like it would be very easy to show whether or not this is true, and very important since lots of people take the tablets.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/12/2009 12:15:34 PM |

    Hi, Peter-

    To my knowledge, there is no research on this topic. However, having tested vitamin D blood levels thousands of times, I can say with confidence that the tablets are inconsistently absorbed--sometimes they work, often they don't, or they increase blood levels less effectively. Levels also vary widely, due to inconsistent absorption.

    Gelcaps--i.e.,oil-based--are absorbed consistently.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 1:59:08 PM |

    What are some good brands of OTC D3?  I see the Costco mentioned, but has it been independently tested?  I know the Costco brand fish oil is supposedly decent, so it would make since that the D3 is as well.

    I usually order online (vitacost.com) and I like the NSI brands.  Are they good?

  • billye

    8/12/2009 4:24:24 PM |

    Dr. Kadar

    Thanks for sharing about your success with vitamin D3 bringing relief for your hot flashes.  I have a daughter who was suffering with hot flashes and refused to take the dangerous medically recommended hormones to alleviate the problem.  Instead she started to take black cohosh. when I pulled a negative study from Pub Med she stopped. She continued to suffer and not in silence.  In the meantime, understanding the health benefits, I convinced her to start taking 6000 IU of vitamin D3 soft gels.  It never dawned on me that this could be so positive relative to hot flashes.  This morning I asked her how come I don't hear any hot flash complaints and she answered that she hasn't had an episode in a very very long time.  It seems likely that we now can put a face on the reason why.  Yet another use for the miracle health supporting hormone vitamin D3.  

    It truly is a fascinating observation,as Dr. Davis remarked.  Thanks for solving this mystery.

  • Nameless

    8/12/2009 5:19:25 PM |

    It's just a guess, but the inconsistent absorption of dry  D3 sounds like it's due to fats (or lack of fats) consumed when dosing. So if patients take it with fish oil, or right after a fatty meal, it may work.

    But I see no reason to stay on dry anyway as gels are very cheap. There are also liquid drops (usually with a fat carrier) for those who dislike pills.

    I'm just waiting for a company to put out a D3/K2 gel next. They seem like logical partners.

  • Diana

    8/12/2009 6:54:38 PM |

    I have a blogsite where I am tracking successes regarding the usage of vitamin D.  Will you tell your success story?  I am an advocate and educator for using Vitamin D3.  I personally take 6000-8000 to keep my levels of D3 at the appropriate level.  

    I will never stop!  It manages the SAD disorder that I had without knowing for over 25 years.  It has changed my life.  My sense of wellbeing has increased to 100%.  Before, it was always a struggle to shake off the feeling that something always felt off, or wrong. It never felt like depression, and my outlook has always been upbeat.  But I still carried around, what I only know how to discribe as almost a sadness, or a feeling that something was wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it.  After taking the Vitamin D3, it just disappeared.  So, now I am an advocate, and believe firmly that this information must be disemminated out into the communities.  

    If you have a story to tell I would appreciate it if you would add it to my blog site:

    http://dactionhealth.ning.com/

    Best~Diana~

  • Diana

    8/12/2009 7:02:19 PM |

    There are also D3 available in liquid form.  It is great for those who can't swallow pills.  I believe it is through Biotics Research.  It is 2000U a drop.  I put 3 to 4 on my finger, and it is done. Nice to have the option and works better for children.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 10:22:05 PM |

    I recently discovered while shopping for my D3 that there is also a D3 version made from sheep lanolin.  Is this as effective as the D3 from fish oil?  Is there any reason why one would be preferred over the other?  I go for the fish oil source because I just don't know anything about the other.

    I've been taking anywhere from 4,000 iu to 10,000 iu per day since February 2009 when my test revealed a level of 27 ng/dl. Last month I asked my dr for another test and he said they normally don't test again, which I just don't understand!(kaiser insurance). I still have my hot flashes but now that I think about it they are few and far between and less intense.
    Nancy

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 10:41:32 PM |

    Probably taking vitamin D3 tablets with a meal containing fat helps with absorption.

    I've got patients using the drops.  They butter their toast and add the relevent number of drops of D3 1000 IU per drop to their buttered toast. (I recommend 100% rye sourdough bread for those patients who must eat their bread.)

    I am now asking female patients experiencing intrusive hot flashes to take vitamin D3.  I'll wait for feedback from them.  Also for perimenopausal mood fluctuations.

    Looked at another way:  D3 is a hormone replacement therapy.  

    I do also tell patients about vitamin K2 and how it is also necessary for bone metabolism.  If they take therapeutic doses of
    vitamin D3, then they also must eat eggs (and cheese, liver, etc.)  But minimally, they must eat egg yolks.  In Canada, K2 is not available in any serious way as a supplement.  

    Dr. G. Kadar
    Toronto, Canada

  • Sue

    8/13/2009 2:35:08 PM |

    I would love to take my D3 in gelcap form, but have thus far been unable to find any here in Canada.  I sometimes take the liquid, but get hung up on what constitutes 'a drop,'  so usually settle for tablets along with fish or krill oil.  Anyone know of a Canadian source for gelcaps?

  • Neonomide

    8/13/2009 10:22:50 PM |

    Dr. William Davis said...

    "I can say with confidence that the tablets are inconsistently absorbed--sometimes they work, often they don't, or they increase blood levels less effectively. Levels also vary widely, due to inconsistent absorption.

    Gelcaps--i.e.,oil-based--are absorbed consistently."


    I cannot say anything about hot flashes since I'm a man (but can and will tell these interesting observations to PMP women I know), yet I have something to say about tablet versus powder versus gelcaps issue that may be of interest.

    I have moderate level Crohn's disease and got great help from D3 supplements for over 7 months now. I started with gelcaps (dosage 25-75 µg/d), then abruptly moved into powder form (Vit D Max, dosage 125 µg/d) and observed GREAT improvement in a couple of weeks. Even my BP dropped so much - from 145/95 to 115/75 and I even got dizzy during daytime. (I also took some melatonin to be fair).

    Then - after about 4 months - I changed back to gelcap form and kept the dosage and experienced somewhat more symptoms - if only for a while.

    Is it possible that powder form may work more quickly, or did my powder D3 contain more D3 than mentioned? I honestly don't know.

    I wrote for Dr B G about my Crohn improvement a while ago but she seems to be on holiday as we're speaking? Smile

    - Neo

  • Anonymous

    8/13/2009 11:18:11 PM |

    I buy small easy to dissolve capsules of D3 (dry powder, not oil) made by Bio-Tech from Dr. Eades' Protein Power site (no affliation other than as a reader).  The cost for the dose is very, very good ($8 for 100 capsules) and the bottles are small.  I was able to buy 11 bottles for the same shipping price as 1 bottle, so I stocked up and shared with family members (my experience is that middle aged adults need at least 5000iu per day year round to keep 25 (OH)D levels above 50 ng/mL).  I test at least twice a year, so I know that the D3 is absorbing.  

    I also usually take the D3 around the same time I am consuming some fat, which probably helps with absorption.  Other family members take Carlson's oil capsules with good results.  We avoid hard tablets.

    Bio-tech also makes a non-prescription D3 in a 50,000iU dose, 12 capsules for about $18 (plus shipping), which is a very competitive price compared to high dose Rx D2.

  • rendev

    8/14/2009 5:07:29 AM |

    Hi
    Really a nice blog!
    Needs stuff to to!

  • TedHutchinson

    8/15/2009 6:29:52 PM |

    Readers who are using Vitamin D3 for cancer prevention may be interested in this new paper from Vieth
    How to Optimize Vitamin D Supplementation
    to Prevent Cancer, Based on Cellular
    Adaptation and Hydroxylase Enzymology

    The hypothesis seeks to answer some of the Dilemmas that challenge the vitamin D/Cancer hypothesis regarding prostate/pancreatic cancers.
    1)How can the vitamin D hypothesis explain the U-shaped risk curve for prostate cancer when the data suggest that the average 25(OH)D
    concentrations in countries with relatively high rates of prostate cancer are apparently the optimal concentrations for preventing prostate
    cancer?
    2 What plausible mechanism, other than vitamin D, could account for the association between greater lifetime sun exposure and diminished risk of prostate cancer ?
    3 How can latitude and environmental ultraviolet light be associated with increased risk of prostate cancer, and pancreatic cancer, yet not be a significant contributor to the lower average 25(OH)D concentrations theorized to be the key component of the mechanism that relates latitude to cancer risk?
    4 Why is summer season of diagnosis, or a higher serum 25(OH)D associated with better prognosis of prostate cancer?
    5 If vitamin D is adverse for prostate cancer, then why is the rate of rise in prostate-specific antigen (PSA) slower in summer  than in other seasons and why would vitamin D supplementation slow the rate of rise in PSA ?
    6 Why, in regions of the United States where environmental UVB is low, is there a positive association between pancreatic cancer versus serum 25(OH)D, while at the same time, in regions where UVB is high (presumably providing even higher serum 25(OH)D levels), is there no relationship with 25(OH)D ?
    7 If 25(OH)D is antiproliferative in cell cultures of prostate cells in vitro  and pancreatic cells, then why would it contribute to the development of cancer in vivo?

    Vieth suggests that as circulating 25(OH)D levels rise and fall, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D  concentrations  need to be adjusted and the balance between 25(OH)D-1-hydroxylase [CYP27B1](tumor surpressing) and the catabolic enzyme, 1,25(OH)2D-24-hydroxylase [CYP24](oncogene) may for a while become disrupted.

    Any time there is a delay in cellular adaptation, or lag time in the fine tuning of  1,25(OH)2D  in response to fluctuating 25(OH)d concentrations there is the potential for too little of the tumor suppressor enzyme and too much of the oncogene CYP24.

    Regular daily supplementation with D3 keeps levels high.
    Regular 25(OH)D testing will enable you to see your levels are remaining steady.
    It may be  sensible for people living further North to have a lower summer intake and higher winter amount in order to reduce the amplitude between summer highs and winter low 25(OH)D levels.

    Those who go for Winter sunshine breaks may want to think about increasing D3 intakes before they fly off, reducing supplement intake while under the tropical sunshine and resuming supplementing immediately on returning home to prevent sudden changes in status and limit the extent of gains/losses.

    25(OH)D levels need to be both high and stable.

    The graph Dr Davis shows how D2 levels dropped steeply (indeed levels at the end of the month were  lower than before supplementing started) so the fact that D2 increases the rate at which 25(OH)D depletes making the fluctuation in level more acute, is a further reason to avoid it.

  • Sabio Lantz

    8/16/2009 11:33:35 AM |

    Dr. Davis,
    I just got my labs back after 7 months on low-carb, high-fat diet.  Chol was 337 (my labs are here).
    I was wondering if you or readers could point me to 5 or 6 links that would help educate me on this issue so I can see if I need to make any changes in the next 7 months.  Thank you for your time.

  • epistemology

    10/27/2009 1:43:39 AM |

    Why do doctors prescribe Vitamin D2?
    They don't very often. Calcitriol (most common brand, Rocaltrol) is the most often prescribed Vitamin D around here (near Philadelphia).

    Why do we need a prescription Vitamin D when OTC Vitamin D is just as good?
    Two reasons:
    1. Without a prescription, patients take medicine less reliably,
    2. More importantly, many of my patients are poor, and OTC meds are not paid for, but prescriptions are.

  • Anonymous

    10/29/2009 11:35:25 PM |

    I take D2 (and get as much midday sun as is safe) because of the horrible way the sheep are treated.

    http://www.savethesheep.com/animals.asp

  • Jim

    12/2/2009 5:38:41 AM |

    I know a nurse practitioner who practices in Phoenix, Arizona. She has done hundreds of blood draws for nutrient levels and has noted that some 99% of people were vitamin D deficient.

    She went on to explain that a lot of these people were construction workers and did not even wear sunscreen. Again, this is in Phoenix where the sun shines intensely nearly every single day of the year. If those people are not getting enough D, I think it's pretty safe to say that you are at least at risk.

  • Anonymous

    12/7/2009 4:38:54 PM |

    D2 comes from plant sources. D3 comes from animal sources, primarily animal skins. If you are vegetarian you would not want to take D3.

    The primary reason the prescription form is D2 is because D2 is much safer. Too much vitamin D is worse than too little. The standard prescription dose is very high, 50,000 units. High doses like that of D3 would be extremely dangerous. Your body is much better able to regulate it's absorbtion of D2.

    I would never take D3. It might take a bit higher dose of D2  to achieve the same result (studies do not agree on this) but I am never going to poison myself. I expect sereous negative health consequences in the future as a result of the marketing of D3. D3 is pretty much all you can find over the counter these days. I assume that it is more about promoting animal agriculture than human health.

  • Dr. J.

    12/16/2009 8:24:54 PM |

    It is true that the pharmaceutical industry has at times had undue sway over the medical profession.  To say that physicians are educated by "pretty representatives" is insulting and undermines the credibility of the author.  I agree that vitamin D3 is more "natural" and technically more potent.  The reason why vitamin D2 is more often prescribed is at least three-fold.
    1. Vitamin D2 is available in a prescription strength that allows for a more rapid repletion of vitamin D levels.  (It is hard to find a prescription vitamin D3)  In other words, it would take longer to replete vitamin D with over-the-counter doses of vitamin D3.  So why not just take a bunch of D3 capsules?  The dosing schedule for repletion of vitamin D with D3 is not as well worked out as it is with vitamin D2.  As soon as someone does a large scale study using vitamin D3, we will all be willing to switch.  Doctors are hesitant to make up regimens where effective ones already exist (re: risk of patient harm/legal liabilities)  
    2. Vitamin D2 has been prescribed for decades. We as physicians are more familiar with its effect on patients.  
    3.  Finally, vitamin D3 used to be more expensive--another reason D2 was preferred over D3.  Doctors, like everyone else, are often resistant to change.
    One thing is certain.  The author's assertion that physicians are not guided by science is false.  What we need is large scale clinical trial with vitamin D3.  The problem here is funding.  Who will pay for it?  Until then, the most we can say is that vitamin D3 is more "natural" and more potent.  Vitamin D2 however is effective and has not been shown to be injurious.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/17/2009 12:22:06 AM |

    Dr. J--

    Allow me to insult you again: It has been my experience that many of our colleagues are miserably susceptible to the smile of a pretty representative. Perhaps you are not, but I see it all the time.

    I'm afraid that I believe you are way off base on the D2. I recommend that you read the existing literature. I believe that there's only one conclusion: D2 is markedly inferior. While better than nothing, why would anyone take a non-human form over a human form?

    Having replaced vitamin D in approximately 2000 patients using D3, I can tell you it is safe and reliable. In the handful of patients taking D2, I've seen everything from modest increases in blood level so 25-hydroxy vitamin D to no increase at all.

  • Deana

    3/20/2010 4:14:53 PM |

    Twice I have been on prescription strength Vit d2(50,000 units first for 8 weeks since my level was 30  and then rose to 66 with RxI took good quality Vit D3 in between 2000 units daily faithfully,eat a good diet (also take ERT age 65) and after serveral months^ my level again fell to 33 now have beenplaced on Vit D2 for 12 weeks, blood level 64 and will repeat test in 6 months.I am now taking 4000 units of D3. I DO NOT seem to be absorbing Vit D3 and wonder why or if I need even more daily

  • Gypsy Boheme

    7/14/2010 1:09:54 AM |

    Why wouldn't you just obtain your Vit D through food sources? sardines, salmon, tuna, liver, egg yolk, cod liver oil, fatty fish, dairy

  • Mary

    10/16/2010 1:27:55 AM |

    I HAVE to say something.  There are some valid health related reasons why some people/children have to take D2.  My daughter has to take D2 (her levels are at 33) so her DAN doc wants her D supplemented.  She also has some gastritis/EE he is hoping to heal in her tummy w it.  He wishes and we all wish she could take D3--I know its way better than D2.  BUT--she can't take D3--she is allergic to both fish and lanolin . . . so . . . therefore she has to take D2 right?  No other D3 option out there for her right--please answer if there is another option for her.  She is allergic to all the natural foods with D3 as well--egg etc.  D2 is all thats left.  I PRAY its helping her a little. We use a local company in WI called Cty Line Pharmaceuticals--the D2 is liquid, its D2 dissolved in propylene gycol with NOTHING else added.  Its a bit spicy but my daughter "Gags" it down as she  surely be allergic to anything added to flavor it.

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 3:44:48 PM |

    There is no such nutritional supplement representative in the waiting room. This preference for the "drug" D2 over the supplement D3 also stems from the inherent preference of physicians for things they can control, whether or not there is proof of superiority.

  • Anonymous

    12/13/2010 4:25:32 PM |

    I was vit D deficient at a level 12. I was told to take over the counter D3 1,000 a day for 5 mths, retest. It raised to only 23. I was told to take Vit D 3 at 2,000 a day for another 4 mths and the result was I went back down to 18. Finally took the presciption D2 at 50,000 a wk and I am mid normal. My 2 daughters were recently diagnosed with D deficiency as well. I walk a dog daily yet my 85 yr old mother who does not really see the sun and when does wears sunscreen takes no Vit D and is not deficient. Go figure.

    P.S. Yes Vit D did reduce hot flashes as well.

  • Sidney Lohr, Ph.D.

    12/16/2010 4:43:10 AM |

    In 1972, one year after starting my Medical Education {Psychology}, I attended the yearly "National Health Federation" {Monrovia, California} Convention. I was already prescribing High Doses of Vitamin D, and I attended a lecture by a  Physician who was already known as THE EXPERT in Vitamin D research!! To this day, I don't remember his Name. The Subject of this particular presentation,  was that Vitamin D2 was toxic to the Kidneys & caused Kidney Damage; Primarily Kidney Stones! His Research was solid and alarming! I bought the 90-minute Tape of his entire Presentation, but misplaced it approximately 5 years later. His presentation  was a Classic, and I'd pay $50.00 to $100.00 for a copy of the Tape today! If anyone has this tape, PLEASE contact me!!
    Meanwhile, NEVER take any amount of Vitamin D2. He proved that Vitamin D3 was safe, and that Vitamin D2 should never be ingested!

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Thumb your nose at swine flu

Thumb your nose at swine flu

Judging from what we know about vitamin D, it is highly probable that it confers substantial protection from viral infections, including swine flu.

Dr. John Cannell of the Vitamin D Council (www.vitamindcouncil.com) first connected the dots, identifying the possibility of an influence of vitamin D on incidence of flu.

In 2006, Dr. Cannell reports noticing that the patients in his psychiatric ward in northern California were completely spared from the influenza epidemic of that year, while plenty of patients in adjacent wards were coming down with flu. Dr. Cannell proposed that the apparent immunity to flu in his patients may have been due to the modest dose of 2000 units vitamin D per day he had prescribed that the patients in other wards had not been given. (Since the hospital was run by the state of California, Dr. Cannell apparently had only so much leeway with vitamin D dosing.) While it’s not proof, it’s nonetheless a fascinating and compelling observation.

A similar conclusion was reached in a recent analysis of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey demonstrating that the higher the vitamin D blood level, the less likely respiratory infections were.

Personally, I used to suffer through 2 or 3 episodes of a runny nose, sore throat, hacking cough, fevers and feeling crumby every winter. Over the last 3 years since I’ve supplemented vitamin D, I haven’t been sick even once. The past two years I didn’t bother with the flu vaccine, since I suspected that my immunity had been heightened: no flu either winter.

And so it has been with the majority of my patients. Since I began having patients supplement vitamin D to achieve normal blood levels (we aim for 60-70 ng/ml), viral and bacterial infections have become rare.

New research is uncovering myriad new ways that vitamin D enhances natural immune responses to numerous infections, including tuberculosis, bacteria such as those causing periodontal disease and lung infections, and viruses like the influenza virus. Enhanced immunity against cancer is also an intensive area of research on vitamin D.

Will vitamin D supplementation sufficient to achieve desirable blood levels confer sufficient immunity to swine flu should it come to your door? From what we know and what we’ve seen in the few years of vitamin D experience, I think it will in the majority. But I do believe that we should still heed public health warnings to avoid contact with others, minimize exposure to crowds, avoid travel to affected areas, etc.

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  • Anna

    4/29/2009 4:40:00 PM |

    Our family has had great results in regarding upper respiratory infections since getting our Vit D levels up to an optimal level (over 60 ng/ml).  While we sometimes do come down with a mild cold, the symptoms are now very short-lived and mild.  If we raise our Vit D dose by 50% for a few days at the first sign of a cold, the illness seems to stall and go away within 2-4 days.

    I've actually never had an influenza virus illness that I know of and only 1 flu shot about 8 years ago.  Other than my usual practices to maintain health, I don't plan to do anything different to avoid swine flu (even after visiting the home of one of my neighbors, who was exposed to one of the confirmed San Diego Swine flu cases - the single mother couldn't send the sick child to school, so she brought her to work).

  • arnoud

    4/29/2009 5:14:00 PM |

    Truly amazing, the scope and reach of the benefits of adequate levels of Vitamin D!  Even more amazing is that we are only now (recent years) are learning how essential Vitamin D is, while, sadly, adequate Vitamin D supplementation has not yet become part of main stream practice.

    As it is too early, not much is known yet about the current swine flu virus.   It is worrisome that it has been fatal for many people.  Interestingly, the deaths generally occur in the age group from 20 to 65 years old.  Could it be possible that these are the hard working folks who nearly spend every day-light hour inside office buildings and factories - no getting sun-light ---> not producing Vitamin D in their skins?   If Vitamin D shortfall is the critical risk factor, then this suggests a causal relationship could be identified?

  • Anonymous

    4/29/2009 6:42:00 PM |

    This post is a bit simplistic.

    I have been supplementing with Vitamin D for 1.5 years and my levels tested to where the medical enthusiasts for Vitamin D recommend it be.

    I've still come down with two nasty respiratory viruses over the past year.

    One of the other credentialled health bloggers I read suggests the exact opposite--the high levels of inflammation may protect against the flu.

    I don't think any of us know enough to make a call on this. The fatal 1918 flu killed people who had a robust immune response. It was that immune response that caused the pulmonary edema that killed them.

    The way everyone is grabbing onto this possible epidemic to support whatever their prized ideology might be, be it political or health-oriented gives a lot of insight into human nature but very little into how to deal with an emerging threat.

  • manny paul

    4/29/2009 6:53:00 PM |

    The World Health Organization raised its global alert level on the spreading swine flu virus Monday, but stopped short of declaring a global ...on swine flu worldwide

  • Anne

    4/30/2009 6:33:00 AM |

    I read that the reason why mostly young adults died in the 1918 flu pandemic was because their 'healthier' immune systems produced a “cytokine storm” which killed them whereas the weaker immune systems of young children and elderly people did not respond so. Where does that leave all of us with good immune systems then ? I've not had a cold for three years ! I don't want a “cytokine storm” reaction !

    Anne

  • pooti

    4/30/2009 11:30:00 AM |

    I agree with the cytokine storm threat for the newly emerging viruse strains of the H1N1 virus and also the H5N1 virus.

    But if you believe the information out there, most people didn't die of the swine flu during the 1918 epidemic. The majority of the enormous death toll from that epidemic was due to post viral/secondary streptococcus infection (a bacterial infection). So it really was the complications that killed them.

    Of course, you could apply the chicken and egg rational here and say that the reason so many contracted pneumonia and strep is because their system was compromised by the fluid generated as a result of the viral infection...(i.e. the CS).

  • Peter

    4/30/2009 12:43:00 PM |

    First reports of the H1N1 virus are that healthy people in their 20's and 30's are more likely to die from it than, say, old people who have lower D levels.  Might be better to stop vitamin D if the flu gets here and and the first reports turn out to be accurate.

  • Jonathan Byron

    4/30/2009 2:58:00 PM |

    There is some evidence that UV light and vitamin D levels are the seasonal factors that drive the winter flu epidemics. Not sure if this one may be a bit different, as it started in near tropical areas in the spring. But overall, there is good evidence that higher vitamin D leads to fewer respiratory infections.

    Another nutrient of interest is n-acetylcysteine, an amino acid that increases glutathione and other anti-oxidant/anti-inflammatory systems in the body.

    In this Italian study, twice a day acetylcysteine cut the symptoms of influenza by 2/3. The acetylcysteine group had just as many antibodies to the flu (indicating they were exposed) - but they were far less likely to go on to develop dis-ease from the virus, and when they did, it was usually much less intense.

  • Jenny Light

    4/30/2009 3:45:00 PM |

    One thing that I have yet to see reported in the media is the fact that Mexico City (the hot bed for deaths) has probably one of the worst air pollution problems in the world!  As this swine flu virus strongly involves the respiratory system, it should be no surprise that the already compromised lungs of these people can't handle it!  If there ARE deaths in the US (native citizens), watch them be centered in our most polluted cities!

  • StephenB

    4/30/2009 3:46:00 PM |

    I've just had an intestinal flu, despite my D levels being at 62ng/ml. My doctor said that it couldn't be swine because it wasn't respiratory.

    On the other hand, before supplementing with D, I would get one or more upper respiratory infections (usually bacterial) per year, and I didn't have any this year.

    StephenB

  • TedHutchinson

    4/30/2009 7:20:00 PM |

    Jonathan Byron
    Vitamin D3 also increases glutathione
    The role of vitamin D in the mental health of older adults"Not just that paper
    Dr Cannell Vitamin D council
    has several links to other sources confirming Vit d upregulates glutathione.

    I know it's only anecdotal but since I've raised my 25(OH)D no colds, no flu, no urinary tract infections (biggy for me as I must self catheterize 5 times daily and UTI's were persistent)

  • manny paul

    4/30/2009 7:26:00 PM |

    An NRI who flew to Hyderabad from Texas, the US state which reported the first swine flu death outside Mexico, was on Wednesday found to have the flu symptoms..
    swine flu to hyderabad

  • Anonymous

    4/30/2009 7:47:00 PM |

    Thanks for this POST!!!

    Another reason to run around with no clothes on when the "SUN" is shining and warm. Free Vitamin D....

    Has anyone done a study on nudist colonies, and the impacts of flu in these places...?

  • Dan

    4/30/2009 10:59:00 PM |

    The fact that this started in Mexico and so far has only killed Mexicans doesn't support your vitamin D theory.  I'm not saying its wrong or that I don't take plenty of D myself, just that it's premature to conclude D prevents this thing.  Also, the first patient to die was a door-to-door tax collector, and probably got mucho sun.

  • Dr. William Davis

    5/1/2009 12:19:00 AM |

    Don't forget that getting sun does NOT necessarily mean that vitamin D has been activated sufficient to increase blood levels to the optimal range.

  • Anne

    5/1/2009 7:11:00 AM |

    TedHutchinson wrote: "Anne Stoss Therapy from Dr CannellBiotech  etc"

    Ted - I already take a high dose of vitamin D3 and my serum levels are fine and my immune system great - which is why I'm concerned about a  "cytokine storm”  which was what they think killed so many people in the 1918 flu epidemic. A "cytokine storm"  happens when people have a good immune system, like us with our good levels of D ! That's why the people with poor immune systems, the eldery and very young, survived the 1918 pandemic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

    Anne

  • TedHutchinson

    5/1/2009 2:59:00 PM |

    Anne
    If you clicked the links provided you would understand Dr Cannell was detailing how taking extremely large amounts of Vitamin D3 AT THE FIRST SIGN of flu MAY prevent the cytokine store.
    That was why I also provided a link to a supplier of cheap 50,000iu D3.
    I have raised my 25(OH)D to above 60ng. I think doing that will lower my chance of getting an upper respiratory tract infection but I also have a pot of 50,000iu/d3 in the cupboard and should things turn out worse than I expect I will follow Dr Cannell's suggestions to the letter.

  • Anne

    5/1/2009 6:31:00 PM |

    I couldn't find a reference to cytokine storm in Dr Cannell's article first time but now I have clicked on one of the links it in and it led to a study about vitamin D and influenza which mentions preventing cytokine storm.  Thanks Ted....now I understand !

  • Mike

    5/1/2009 6:43:00 PM |

    I located this reference document while visiting the Vitamin D Council's web-site, regarding Vitamin D and the Flu. Hope this gets widely circulated!

    http://www.virologyj.com/content/5/1/29

    You can find the links at their site under "Noteworthy News."

    Swine Flu and Vitamin D — 30 April 2009

    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

  • Anna

    5/1/2009 8:05:00 PM |

    Here's an interesting post on cytokine storms & the flu.  This researcher on inflammation seems to have views much in line with Dr. Davis and TYP.

    http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/04/extreme-flu-remedies.html

  • Anonymous

    5/2/2009 1:23:00 PM |

    Notwithstanding the excellent information that the heart scan blog provides, I think we should all be cautious in drawing conclusions based on singular/individual experiences.
    Trevor

  • TICQueen

    5/2/2009 9:36:00 PM |

    Increase your intake of vitamin C. Vitamin C not only boosts your immune system, but in higher dosages has been shown to be an antiviral as well. The recommendation is to dramatically increase your intake at the first sign you may have been exposed to the flu. Search for "the Vitamin C Foundation" to find an effective dosage for you.


    You can get a complete Swine Flu guide at http://www.swineflurecommendations.com
    Ensure you are getting enough vitamin E in your diet. There has been at least one clinical study completed that links adequate vitamin E intake with reduced viral activity. Studies have also shown there may be a link between vitamin E and a reduced duration and severity of flu symptoms.

  • Hoop

    5/3/2009 2:12:00 PM |

    I've gradually dialed up my vitamin D3 dose over the last 8 years. Motivated by  hope of reducing my prostate cancer risks.
    I started at 2000 IU per day which dose didn't stop all my colds and flu episodes but since I reached 6000 (or more) I've had neither illness. I only take the larger dose during the Autumnn
    and Winter months and on those days
    when I miss the midday spring and summer sun. YMMV I suppose it still could be chance but so far so good.

    Dwight

  • maxthedog

    5/16/2009 12:13:00 AM |

    Regarding cytokine storms:  Vitamin D3, as 1-25(OH)D3 aka, "calcitriol" is said to modulate the immune response (in part) by way of upregulating the production antimicrobial peptides known as cathelicidins, and to a lesser degree, beta-defensin (cathelicidins are strongly expressed along the epethelial lining of the lung, for those interested in D3 and respiratory infections). This *does not* mean that taking vitamin D3 will increase the strength of the immune system's inflammatory response.  The opposite is the case:  vitamin D *increases* the production of anti-inflammatory cytokines and *decreases* the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines, thereby throttling down the Th1 mediated immune response.  Think of it this way, you're out in the sun for a while, your skin becomes a bit red.. the body's response is to lower the tendency towards greater inflammation, while simultaneously upregulating the production of antimicrobial peptides that work by effectively cleaving bacteria and virus apart like a pair of scissors to paper.  Antimicrobial peptides do not work by way of releasing an oxidative burst in the way the Th1 mediated response works!  The immune system is far too complex to simply characterize it's behavior with words such as "strong" or "weak" - there is a whole lot more going on under the hood than such a simplistic view allows.

  • Anna

    5/16/2009 7:23:00 PM |

    Dr. Cannell has some info to that effect (anti-inflammatory characteristics of Vit D and flu-induced cytokines) in the newsletter that went out yesterday or today.

  • sadie

    5/27/2009 5:25:41 AM |

    I have been taking 5000iu a day of D3. My level is 23.9 so my GP wants me to take 50,000 D3 twice a week for 4 weeks and then once per week. I'm wondering if this much should be just to get the level up and then take a higher dose each day. And I'm looking for a higher dose gelcap of D3. Would appreciate others thoughts on this.

  • Amanda Crowe

    6/3/2009 5:18:08 AM |

    H1N1 (referred to as "swine flu" early on) is a new influenza virus causing illness in people. Symptoms of swine flu are similar to those caused by other influenza viruses. Health authorities across the globe are taking steps to try to stem the spread of swine flu after outbreaks in Mexico and the United States. The World Health Organization has called it a "public health emergency of international concern."

  • Ken

    6/16/2009 2:20:31 PM |

    Maybe in certain circumstances - like  being exposed to am infection such as swine flu - ingesting vitamin D is good for you. I still have to wonder - why is the amount made in a day of full body exposure to strong sunlight limited to 10,000IU in the first 20 minutes. Moreover that is just one way the potential levels of D are prevented from affecting blood levels; a high proportion of  ingested vitamin D is excreted in the bile according to Vieth.

    Somewhere along the line there's  a net disadvantage to constant high levels I think.
    Mad dogs and ....

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    8/14/2009 12:42:49 PM |

    On Monday morning an Arkia airlines plane took off from Ben Gurion Airport carrying rabbis and kabbalists and flew over the country in a flight aimed at preventing the swine flu virus from spreading in Israel through prayers.

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