Interview with an outspoken advocate of truth in diabetes

I stumbled onto Jenny Ruhl's Diabetes Update blog after I received several very insightful comments to this blog whenever I posted a discussion on diabetes or pre-diabetes/metabolic syndrome.

Who the heck was this commenter who clearly had deep insight into diabetic issues?

It turned out to be Jenny Ruhl, a woman who learned her lessons the hard way: by receiving a belated diagnosis of (an unusual form of) diabetes, then receiving plenty of mis-guided advice from physicians on diet and treatment. Reading her many blog posts and websites, you get the clear sense of how hard this individual worked to gain the depth of knowledge she's acquired, on a par or superior to most diabetes specialists.

And she minces no words in expressing her heartfelt and carefully considered opinions. But that's what I look for: people who are unafraid to voice opinions that may not be consistent with the flow of conventional thought, but ring true and prove effective.


Dr. Davis: From your blog and websites on diabetes, it is clear that you exceptionally knowledgeable in the world of diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and related disorders. Can you give us a little background on how you came to this quest?

Jenny: Though I was told I was a "classic type 2" [diabetic] by my doctors, nothing I read about diabetes corresponded to my own experience. I knew my diabetes had not been caused by obesity because I'd been a normal weight all my life until my blood sugars went out of control at which point I developed ravenous hunger and gained a lot of weight very quickly.

I also wondered at the huge gap between what Dr. Bernstein said was a normal blood sugar and what my doctors told me was a safe blood sugar for a person with diabetes. The people I met who followed Bernstein's very low carb diet had much better blood sugars and far fewer complications, but my doctors dismissed this as irrelevant. So I decided to do some research to find out who to believe. I plunged into the medical journal articles that had recently been made available on the web to see if I could answer two questions: What causes diabetes? and "What does science actually know about what blood sugar levels damage organs?"

The result was the information that became the basis for the Blood Sugar 101 site. Initially, I attempted to sell it as a book, but editors told me that though what I'd learned was "fascinating" it would be "over the head" of the typical health book buyer who wanted simple explanations and if possible, a simplistic slant towards "cure." Fortunately, the very strong response and high traffic volume to the web site proved that, as I had thought, there are a lot of people who do want more than an oversimplified overview and who, given the information they needed, were able to make huge positive changes in their health.


Dr. Davis: What do you think your life would be like if you hadn't pursued this unique course?

Jenny: Possibly a lot shorter.

People in my family die of heart attacks in their 50s, probably from undiagnosed high blood sugars. The pattern of the type of diabetes I have is to have a normal fasting blood sugar and an extremely high post-meal blood sugar after consuming very few grams of carbohydrate. When doctors diagnose using only the fasting blood test, they miss those highs, which research is now finding to be a primary cause of heart disease.

I also would have been a lot fatter. My doctors told me that I was packing on 20 lbs a year due to "normal menopausal changes" and that there was nothing I could do about it. Lowering my carbs significantly dropped all the weight I had gained and I still weigh a lot less now than I did in 1998.


Dr. Davis: You've been a keen observer of the diabetes scene for some years. Have you discerned any important trends in both the public's perception of diabetes as well as how diabetes is managed in the conventional world?

Jenny: The huge difference I see is that, over the last decade, the online diabetes community has learned the value of cutting back on carbohydrates and shooting for truly normal blood sugar levels. So people who put some time into researching diabetes online and talking with those of us who have succeeded in avoiding complications will learn that they do not have to settle for very high blood sugars and deterioration their doctors think inevitable.

Unfortunately, the media have put most of their energy into promoting the discredited idea that diabetes is caused by gluttony and sloth and to promoting the equally discredited idea that people with diabetes should eat a high carbohydrate diet and avoid fat.

So for now there is a huge divide in the quality of life of those people with diabetes who educated enough to go out on the web and educate themselves and those who get their diabetes information from doctors. Sadly most doctors still encourage patients to eat low fat/ high carb diets, and counter the very high blood sugars this diet produces with oral drugs of questionable efficacy, while assuring patients they will be safe if they maintain blood sugar levels that meet the American Diabetes Association's recommendations, though a mass of research shows these are high enough to produce every single diabetic complication possible.


Dr. Davis: I understand that you've released a new book, Blood Sugar 101. How is your book unique in the world of diabetes books? Who should read Blood Sugar 101?

Jenny: Blood Sugar 101: What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes differs from other books in that it gives the reader a much deeper understanding of what is really going on in their bodies as their blood sugar control breaks down and what sciences knows about how abnormal blood sugars cause complications. Then it gives the reader the tools they need to find what diet and/or drug regimen will brings their own, unique, blood sugars down to a truly safe level.

Unlike some books, this one does not present a one-size-fits-all solution, but recognizes that Type 2 diabetes is really a catch-all diagnosis that covers a lot of disorders that behave quite differently. That is why what works for one person with diabetes may not work for another.

Because this book provides details available nowhere else about the physiology of diabetes and the drugs available to treat it, readers will find the information they need to work with their doctors to craft a regimen that brings their blood sugar into the range that preserves and improves their health.


Dr. Davis: Before we close, tell us a little about yourself outside of your diabetes advocate role.

Jenny: I live in rural New England and am a passionate gardener. I've been online since 1980 when I was part of the team at IBM that developed the first commercial email program, PROFS. I got involved in online discussion groups in 1987 and have been messaging on bulletin boards ever since.

I was a professional singer/songwriter in Nashville in my youth and spent my middle years as a bestselling author of books about consulting. Right now a lot of my energy goes into managing the financial and software side of a family business that makes hand made pocket tools for collectors.


Dr. Davis: Thank you for your great insights, Jenny!

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  • Anne

    4/2/2008 3:32:00 AM |

    I have learned more about diabetes from Jenny's blog and her 101 site than I have from any doctor, any diabetes program I have attended or any reading I have done on my own. She has organized this information so it is easy to read and understand. After reading the information she posted, I realized that my blood glucose was high enough to put my health at great risk. My doctors did not seem too concerned, but with the help from a meter and low carb eating, my BG is now so much better.

    Blogs and websites such as Jenny's and Dr. Davis' are invaluable. Thank you.

  • Anna

    4/2/2008 3:46:00 AM |

    So glad to see this post.  Finding Jenny's website nearly two years ago was a pivotal point for me.

    Despite my history with gestational diabetes, after my pregnancy my doctors didn't monitor my glucose control beyond an annual FBG, even when twice my dentist advised investigation because of the condition of my gums (my PCP said I was fine and not overweight enough for diabetes, even though after weaning I gained 5 lbs a year for 4 years).  

    Still, knowing my pregnancy history put me and my son at higher risk, I kept my eyes open for information that might be pertinent about future risk (thinking 50s, 60s, and 70s, not my current age in the 40s).  Periodically, I would spend an evening online learning about the current state of research into risk factors and outcomes for mothers and offspring with gestational diabetes.  That's how I found Jenny's site.  I was in shock, I think.  Maybe outraged was more like it.  I realized I needed to know more about my current glucose metabolism condition right away.

    Like Jenny, I am not nor have ever been obese, and my FBG is still (barely) in the normal range.  But I now know many carb-rich foods will give me diabetic level post meal BG.  And with even moderate sugar and starches in my diet, I will gain weigh easily.

    I credit Jenny's website for providing the insight I needed to tighten my glucose control for my health, not just my weight.  I am achieving fairly normal BG levels with a high fat/low carb diet and without medications.   Additionally, the knowledge and confidence I gained from Jenny's website enabled me to approach my skeptical PCP and insist on a GTT and insulin levels, which turned out to be abnormal.

    Of course, I have ordered Jenny's book and look forward to receiving it soon.  Knowing the high quality of her writing and website information, I am sure it will be a valuable book for people with diabetes, people who have family history of diabetes, and for those who have loved ones with diabetes.

  • Anne

    4/2/2008 7:04:00 AM |

    Dear Dr Davis,

    It's good to see an interview with Jenny. Her diabetes website was one of the first I discovered when I was trying to find answers when I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2 last year. I am not at all the typical type 2, I'm very slim and have never eaten junk or processed food. Her website was one that had answers for me, and it led on to Dr Bernstein and his book.

    I'm glad Jenny has a book out now....I'll be buying it !

    Anne

  • Anonymous

    4/2/2008 12:22:00 PM |

    Thanks!  The American Diabetic Association says 2 abnormal readings are grounds to label someone "diabetic."  The healthcare industry loves labels--perhaps because once there's a "disease" they can assign a code that insurance companies will accept which then generates a whole treatment plan, including pharmaceutical products.  A high carbohydrate diet defies common sense in my opinion.  It just seems like this would trigger yoyo readings.

  • Sarah

    4/2/2008 12:35:00 PM |

    Jenny's blog and website should be required reading/participation for anybody with diabetes. She speaks truth.

    Sarah, who credits a 5.1% a1c to the information provided by Jenny and others in the online community.

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 6:51:11 PM |

    So for now there is a huge divide in the quality of life of those people with diabetes who educated enough to go out on the web and educate themselves and those who get their diabetes information from doctors. Sadly most doctors still encourage patients to eat low fat/ high carb diets, and counter the very high blood sugars this diet produces with oral drugs of questionable efficacy, while assuring patients they will be safe if they maintain blood sugar levels that meet the American Diabetes Association's recommendations, though a mass of research shows these are high enough to produce every single diabetic complication possible.

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Statin stupid

Statin stupid

If we followed the lead of the pharmaceutical industry and my cardiology colleagues, we would all subscribe to the "statins for all" philosophy. There is now $2 billion of clinical "research" to back up this "evidence-based" practice.

I do not endorse this "statins for all" philosophy. I believe it is a product of the raw profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry, who are adept at recruiting physicians to their cause.

But lost in the confusion of tainted studies and over-the-top media saturation is the fact that there are small groups of people who likely do obtain benefit from statin drugs. They would certainly benefit from better informed scrutiny of their lipoprotein and metabolic abnormalities. But treatment may involve statins.

This is entirely distinct from the "statins for all" argument, the simpleminded rule that primary care physicians and cardiologist are told to follow.

Groups who may indeed benefit from statin therapy include:

Homozygous or heterozygous familial hypercholesterolemia--Lacking a receptor for LDL particles, LDL piles up to very high levels in these people. LDLs of 300+ are common and lead to heart disease and stroke at relatively young ages.

Combined mixed hyperlipidemia--Among the one or more genetic defects underlying this condition involves excessive production of apoprotein B and VLDL particles. This leads to high risk for heart disease.

People unable to follow a diet to correct their lipid disorder--I have 80+-year old patients, for instance, who say, "I've eaten this way for 82 years. I'm not going to change now!" In the absence of diet and other efforts (e.g., omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil), drugs may be the answer.

In other words, of the $27 billion annual bill for statin drugs, perhaps a tiny fraction is truly necessary. The majority of people taking statin drugs would not really need them if they had the real answers. But don't let that confuse us: There are some people who do indeed benefit.
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What vitamin D form?

What vitamin D form?

In response to questions regarding why don't vitamin D tablets work, here are my observations.

When I first started correcting vitamin D levels around 3 1/2 years ago, people would begin with starting 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood levels of around 20 ng/ml.

Taking, say, 6000 units vitamin D as tablets over 3 months yielded blood levels of 24-30 ng/ml. Taking 6000 units in an oil-based form, and blood levels would commonly be 60-70 ng/ml.

In other words, tablets are very poorly absorbed. I also saw very erratic absorption with tablets, with tremendous variation in blood levels.

I witnessed this effect many times. I finally began telling patients to avoid the tablets altogether. It's simply not worth it. Taking dose X of tablets, you cannot predict what the blood level of vitamin D will be.

Now, you can sometimes make the tablets get absorbed by either taking with a teaspoon of oil (e.g., olive, flaxseed) or taking with an oil-rich meal. However, I am uncertain just how consistent the absorption is under these circumstances, not having done this enough times to know.

Oil-filled gelcaps are no more expensive than tablets (or perhaps a dollar more). Health food store employees and pharmacists don't know this. I have had many patients come to the office claiming they changed to tablets because that's all their health food store or pharmacy carried and the person behind the counter assured them it was the same. Blood level of vitamin D to confirm: right back down to the starting level or near it--little or no absorption.

The only way to know whether a preparation is absorbed is to check a blood level. But, in my experience, having checked vitamin D blood levels thousands of times, gelcaps never fail; tablets fail over 80% of the time.

Comments (36) -

  • TedHutchinson

    2/16/2009 9:13:00 AM |

    Effective strength D3 is not available over the counter in the UK. UK readers have to buy from the USA.
    http://tinyurl.com/8znjue
    Iherb do Now foods 5000iu D3 in olive oil capsules very cheap.
    Orders £18 or over are not only subject to Customs duty but our Post Office charges £8 extra to collect the tax.
    Using Iherb $5 discount code such as WAB666 reduces the price of 360 to under the tax threshold. Leaving the daily cost including P&P to 5.25p daily

  • TedHutchinson

    2/16/2009 12:01:00 PM |

    http://tinyurl.com/ch5262
    May I also draw readers attention to this half hour video from Cedric Garland about Vitamin D status and cancer incidence and progression.
    You will note Garland suggests 60ng 150nmol/l for lowest cancer incidence.

  • fritz

    2/16/2009 1:48:00 PM |

    Is the vitamin D from cod liver oil effective?

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2009 2:10:00 PM |

    Slightly off topic, but I just read that congress is going to vote on a bill to cut medicare coverage of vitamin D levels, so now we will have to rely on private insurance, or simply pay ourselves.

    Jeanne shepard

    By the way, I prefer not to be "anonymous" but the Google Blogger doesn't remember my password, and won't let me select a new one.

  • Anne

    2/17/2009 3:28:00 AM |

    Some of the vitamin D experts warn against using cod liver oil. http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/2008-december.shtml

    One concern is too much vitamin A if you took enough of the cod liver oil to get the D you need. Another is that vitamin A and D compete with each other.

  • TedHutchinson

    2/17/2009 10:18:00 AM |

    fritz
    Read what Dr Cannell says about Cod liver oil here
    http://tinyurl.com/dh9b6k

    A typical 5ml tsp of CLO contains roughly 400iu. Most people require on average 5000iu/daily so the amount from CLO is insufficient.

    Jeanne
    Twice yearly $30, 25(OH)D blood spot tests, available by post from this source
    www.grassrootshealth.org/daction/index.php

  • Rick

    2/17/2009 10:49:00 AM |

    iHerb.com also has Country Life Vitamin D3 2500 IU (200 softgels).

    Thanks for answering the questions about tablets so quickly, by the way.

  • Tom

    2/17/2009 11:38:00 AM |

    For the benefit of UK readers, I'd like to second TedHutchinson's informative comment. I use the same product from the same supplier Smile

    It's worth noting that postage and packing cost from the US does not contribute to the value of the order for the purposes of taxes and extortionate 'fees'.

  • Matthew

    2/17/2009 1:08:00 PM |

    I don't understand why taking a vitamin D3 capsule will not raise level of 25(OH)D when consuming it with fat or meal containing fat. Should get the same results...

  • Anonymous

    2/17/2009 5:43:00 PM |

    First, let me say that I really love your blog.  I learn so much every time I come here.

    I do have a question for you.  What do you make of this site:

    http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/

    On the surface, she appears to be a competent scientist, but she blames everything (and I do mean everything from macular degeneration to brain lesions) on too much Vitamin D and claims that the road to universal health should begin with driving one's Vitaman D levels to below 20 ng/mL.  A friend of mine just sent this to me in a panic.  Please let us know what you think.

    Thanks so much!
    Isabella

  • Steve L.

    2/17/2009 7:39:00 PM |

    The Costco effect.  I had been wondering why so many people use the tablet form.  Just noticed yesterday that tablet is the form of Vitamin D that Costco carries.

  • Diana Hsieh

    2/17/2009 8:54:00 PM |

    All of the vitamin D capsules that I checked in Whole Foods yesterday were composed of some kind of frankenfood oil in them, most notably soybean oil.  Can anyone recommend any brands that use something better?  

    (I have the same problem with my vitamin E complex, but I'm not convinced that I should be taking that anyway -- although it does seem to help the inevitable dry skin in winter here in Colorado.)

    BTW, my husband and I got our levels tested thanks to your recommendations.  Mine were excellent (probably thanks to many months of good supplementation), but his need some work (despite some more moderate supplementation).  Thanks for the info!

  • David

    2/18/2009 4:37:00 AM |

    Re: the http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind article...

    Anonymous,

    Dr. Davis wrote about this issue (more or less) last year: http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/marshall-protocol-and-other-fairy-tales.html

    David

  • Michael

    2/18/2009 5:55:00 AM |

    @ Diana Hsieh
    Don't know if this is available where you are (I'm in Australia) but I use this brand of D3 for this very reason. It's in fish oil, of reasonable potency.

    THOMPSON'S Vitamin D (1000mg) with Fish Oil (500mg) - 60 gelatin-free caps

    http://www.thompsons.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=8403&ID=163&SID=663632930&Type=Products

    Product made in New Zealand. Hope this helps.

  • Anna

    2/18/2009 6:40:00 AM |

    Diana,

    Our family likes Carlson Vit D products.  They are definitely absorbable, because the whole family went from the low end fo the reference range to around 70-86 ng/ml in the past few months).

    Mostly we use Solar D Gems in the 2000 or 4000iU capsules.  There is a bit of Norwegian CLO & EPA?DHA in them, and lemon flavor.  They chew up easily, too, but can also be swallowed.

    The non-chewable capsules are much tinier and are made with sunflower oil, but even that is a very tiny amount in this very small capsule.

    The Carlson D drops in the 2000iU/drop dose is made with coconut oil (though it is fractionated, to keep it liquid).  But it's only a drop.

    I find very good prices at www.vitaminshoppe,com, usually for about 2-4 ¢ per each 1000iU (that's how I make price comparisons).  Plus Vitamin Shoppe has a frequent buyer program so purchases earn points toward fairly generous coupons (such as $5 off a $15+ purchase), and shipping is reasonable (sometimes free).  

    Or I buy Carlson Vit D3 at the local store when they are on sale (stores that sell a lot of Carlson product often pass along "mfg discounts" or "special buys").

  • TedHutchinson

    2/18/2009 11:09:00 AM |

    Isabella
    Mark London  MRL@PSFC.MIT.EDU has provided a detailed scientific rebuttal of the Marshall Protocol here
    http://tinyurl.com/cfod57
    Is the MP Treatment for Sarcoidosis Helpful for Other Chronic Diseases?

    MP’s Vitamin D Theories Are Not Supported by Lab Studies.
    Updated July 2, 2008

    Dr Davis has previously addressed this issue in the blog entitled
    The Marshall Protocol and other fairy tales

    Diana Hsieh
    The capsules I suggested are dissolved in olive oil.
    http://tinyurl.com/abbagz
    Carlson 2000iu sunflower oil $12.22
    http://tinyurl.com/abbagz
    Carlson also do Solar Gems in Cod liver oil.
    http://tinyurl.com/bclzom

  • Anonymous

    2/18/2009 1:35:00 PM |

    Diana Hsieh,

    I believe the NOW foods brand D3 formulations are suspended in olive oil.

    Carlson's Vitamin D3, 2,000 IU is suspended in sunflower oil.

    That being said, most of these D3 capsules are quite tiny, so I am not sure that they contain a huge amount of oil, unless you are taking more than 10,000 IU's daily (i.e., 5 capsules).

    As to sources, iHerb is the best and most user friendly, and I won't even give you my $5. discount code, as previous poster did.  You can sign up for your own discount number at the iHerb website.

    Hope that helps!

  • Sam

    2/18/2009 3:30:00 PM |

    Diana,

    I'm currently using Carlson 2000IU gelcaps which contain sunflower oil (omega-6, even if small quantities) and a few other more benign ingredients.

    When these are exhausted I'm switching to Carlson D-drops in which D3 is dissolved into medium chain triglycerides (MCT).

  • Anonymous

    2/18/2009 4:50:00 PM |

    Thanks everyone for the input.  I feel much better now and am off to take my gel-capped Vitamin D3.

    All my best,
    Isabella

  • TedHutchinson

    2/18/2009 9:21:00 PM |

    When researching Carlson Solar Gems earlier I mentioned they contain Cod liver oil but no Vitamin A Content is listed on the Carlson's website.
    So I emailed Carlson's to confirm the vitamin a content. They replied
    total Vitamin A is below 2% of the daily value which is the threshold above which the FDA requires you to list the Vitamin A content.
    As adult RDA for vitamin A is 700~900iu, below 2% of that is below 14~18iu. So there is really is no reason to avoid Solar Gems because of their potential Vitamin A content.

  • Anonymous

    2/19/2009 12:52:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Appreciate your elaborating the tablets vs. capsules point and thank you for continuing to take the time to write such informative posts!

  • Anonymous

    2/19/2009 7:46:00 PM |

    "Heart disease was once thought to be less of a problem for women than for men. Research now indicates that heart disease is the No. 1 cause of death among women in the US, while confirming that women with an intact uterus have a lower incidence of heart disease because they benefit from the uterine advantage." Visit http://www.truthout.org/021609R for the full article.

  • Anonymous

    2/20/2009 12:01:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    Are gelcaps with dried powdered form of vitamin d3 as effective as oil filled gelcaps?

  • Ricardo

    3/26/2009 12:58:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis, "Americans Low on Vitamin D" - http://www.webmd.com/news/20090325/americans-low-on-vitamin-d

  • Anonymous

    4/22/2009 6:37:00 PM |

    I've had great results from powdered gelcap from D-Max (5000 IU) from Nature's health Supply, but a bit less from NOW olive oil gelcaps (5000 IU). Just a hunch, because I have an autoimmune disease and I'm trying to work out my symptoms. So no 25(OH)D test here.

    I'll try those Carlson's next.

    Great blog by the way!

  • Anna

    4/22/2009 8:49:00 PM |

    I just ordered some D3 to send to my 81 yo MIL and 46 yo SIL in London.  I'm quite sure they are going to very deficient (they just ordered the www.grassrootshealth.net home testing kit as it's a pain to get NHS to agree to test).  

    I found Bio-Tech D3-5 (5000iU cholecalciferol capsules  - powder in a tiny gelatin capsule) offered on Drs. Eades's Protein Power website at a great price, 100 qty for $8.  Shipping via UPS was $6.45 to my location for up to 10 bottles.  That makes the price per 1000iu incredibly low.  I bought a year's supply (8 bottles) to mail to my in-laws, plus two bottles for me.  Note I was very surprised at the small size of the box, but it did contain the 10 bottles I ordered, but the capsules and bottles are small and light, which is nice when ordering so much at once and mailing it again.  Fast delivery, even with UPS ground service.

    I just had another 25 (OH)D test drawn last week; I'll get the results tomorrow at my endo appt for my thyroid.  I was averaging 5000iU/day  supplementation with various Carlson D3 products, based on previous 25 (OH)D test results and supplementation levels.  So I'll switch to the Eades' Bio-Tech formula now and see how my 25 (OH)D is in late summer/early fall.

  • David

    4/22/2009 9:40:00 PM |

    Anna,

    I'd be very interested to hear a follow up from you when you retest after being on the Bio-Tech D3 for awhile. I'm of the mind that D3 in softgel form is more absorbable and hence more efficacious for raising and maintaining 25(OH)D levels, but I see many of the "big guns" (e.g. Cannell, Eades, etc.)promoting/selling the powdered Bio-Tech formula. Perhaps you could report back here with your results?

    David

  • Anna

    4/23/2009 6:27:00 PM |

    Dave,
    Sure.  I'll be retesting  thru my endo in 6 mo.  But I might do a mail-in test via www.grassrootshealth.net before that.  

    I'm guessing a gelatin capsule filled with a powder (might be an oily powder,too) is more absorbable than a hard tablet form.

    Btw, I just got my lab result for 25(oh)d---a nice 68ng/mL (after months of 5000iU D3 carlson oil gelcaps and/or oil drops .  Also was an easier winter than i've had in years, which I think might be due to more sunlight and Vit D.

  • David

    4/23/2009 7:59:00 PM |

    Thanks, Anna. 68 ng/ml-- Good for you! You know, all my life, I've had tough winters. I would always get very sluggish and depressed. I mean I would get really, really down. But ever since I've started the vitamin D, the winter blues are a thing of the past. This alone is probably the most noticeable effect I've ever had from taking any supplement. It's a very dramatic and welcomed change.

  • Herry

    5/27/2009 9:41:31 AM |

    I will read from time to time for that.

    http://allnutri.com/bid970/now+foods.aspx

  • Anonymous

    8/26/2009 6:34:03 PM |

    That means D3 in Calcium tablets like Citrical is probably poorly absorbed  too, am I correct?

  • David

    8/27/2009 10:27:06 PM |

    Yep.

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  • Anonymous

    12/13/2009 2:00:04 AM |

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  • Anonymous

    5/4/2010 2:15:47 AM |

    GNC has Vit D drops.....do you feel this is good?

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 12:30:44 PM |

    Oil-filled gelcaps are no more expensive than tablets (or perhaps a dollar more). Health food store employees and pharmacists don't know this. I have had many patients come to the office claiming they changed to tablets because that's all their health food store or pharmacy carried and the person behind the counter assured them it was the same. Blood level of vitamin D to confirm: right back down to the starting level or near it--little or no absorption.

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