A curious case of coronary plaque regression and progression

John received a coronary stent in 2003 following a small heart attack. The artery causing the heart attack was a diagonal artery, a branch of the important left anterior descending coronary artery (in the front of the heart). His cardiologist at the time advised him, "Take Lipitor and we'll do stress tests every year. Come back if you have any more chest pain." That was the full extent of John's preventive care.

He came to me for a second opinion and, naturally, we enrolled him in our program. We began by obtaining a CT heart scan score, though we had to exclude the stented diagonal artery. His score: 471. At age 51 and physically active, John had 7 additional abnormal lipoprotein patterns identified. We counseled John on better approaches to food choices, his weight target, fish oil, and correction of all lipoprotein patterns.

Two years later, John's repeat heart scan score: 511 . John was initially disappointed with the increase. But a closer look yielded something entirely different: the right coronary artery and circumflex (no stents) showed 20-30% reduction in their scores. The increase in total score was entirely due to substantial increase in score just outside the stent, in the left anterior descending artery. In other words, all of the increase in score was due to growth of a plaque at the mouth of the stent in the diagonal artery.

This is curious: profound regression of plaque with a big drop in score in the "un-instrumented" arteries, but tremendous growth of plaque and an increase in score in the "instrumented", or stented, artery, all in the same person's heart.

I don't know how controllable this specific situation in the left anterior descending and stented diagonal will be, and I'm unaware of any specific strategies to impact on this situation. The whole world of tissue growth within or around stents is littered with high hopes followed by failures. The drug-coated stents have been the only partial solution to this problem, though that's precisely the sort of stent John received.

Is there a message here? The message I take from this is that you and I should work like mad to keep from receiving a stent. Once they're implanted, we have less control over our coronary future. We can indeed regress ("reverse") coronary plaque. But we may not be able to regress the sort of tissue that grows in response to a stent implantation.
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You just THINK you're low-carb

You just THINK you're low-carb

Systematically checking postprandial (after-eating) blood sugars is providing some great insights into crafting a better diet for many people.

I last discussed the concept of postprandial glucose checks in To get low-carb right, you need to check blood sugars.

Here are some important lessons that many people--NON-diabetic people, most with normal blood glucoses or just mildly increased--are learning:

Oatmeal yields high blood sugars. Even if your fasting blood sugar is 90 mg/dl, a bowl of oatmeal with skim milk, walnuts, and some berries will yield blood sugars of 150-200 mg/dl in many people.

Cheerios yields shocking blood sugars. 200+ mg/dl is not uncommon in non-diabetics. (Diabetics have 250-350 mg/dl.)

Fruits like apples and bananas increase blood sugar to 130 mg/dl or higher.

Odd symptoms, such as mental "fog," fatigue, and a fullness in the head, are often attributable to high blood sugars.

A subset of people with lipoprotein(a) can have wildly increased blood sugars despite their slender build and high aerobic exercise habits.


Once you identify the high blood sugar problem, you can do something about it. The best place to start is to reduce or eliminate the sugar-provoking food.

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  • Lou

    2/27/2010 2:18:18 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    What is the maximum postprandial glucose level that we can see without seeing increased risk of heart/diabetes problems? I thought I saw 120 mg/dl somewhere. Is that it? It's hard to keep track of hundreds of blogs. I just learned about Heart Scan Blog last week.

  • Tony

    2/27/2010 2:37:06 PM |

    I have tested my postprandial glucose per your suggestion, and it has been very helpful, but I wanted to note that neither oatmeal (1/2 cup dry) or bananas & apples raise my blood sugar above 115.

  • Anonymous

    2/27/2010 2:57:36 PM |

    Truly normal, non-diabetic people will rarely if ever see a postprandial glucose peak much above 125, even with Cheerios.

    Postprandial hyperglycemia is widespread in populations eating an industrial diet. Those of us who have been officially diagnosed with diabetes are just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Stan (Heretic)

    2/27/2010 3:16:38 PM |

    It is interesting that you confirm that thin slender people which  you identify as "Lp(a)" types are so much less tolerant against high refined carbohydrates!

      In my subjective observation some of the most robust people on the standard (high carb medium fat) diet are of heavy set build ( Kapha/Phlegmatic).  

    They are able to easily increase their adipose tissue which probably is their main defense against high blood glucose.

    This protection comes at the price of putting up weight, sometimes a lot of weight. In some  rare cases their body weight can grow above 500lb before this protection mechanism stops, their adipose tissue stops expanding, and then - and only then - they get diabetes!  Not before, not while their fatty tissue is still growing!

    In my personal opinion the only difference between the heavy set type people and us ("ascetic" body types) is that our adipose tissue is for some reason (genetic?) incapable of growing beyond a minimum (in my case I was only able to put up ~10lb extra at most) therefore our fatty tissue  is not able to scoop up as much excessive glucose out of our bloodstream as their therefore we get diabetes, on a very high refined carb diet, earlier and more severe than them.  

    Our ONLY defense is as you have found too - minimize consumption of high carb food such as cereals, wheat, but also fruit and starches! I personally replaced such food with animal fat, eleven years ago and all my health problems, including mild angina, disappeared as if by miracle.

    Regards,
    Stan (Heretic)

  • Ellen

    2/27/2010 3:37:17 PM |

    So, Dr. Davis, would you say that one should never have foods that raise blood sugar?  I have a 1/2 banana and rice cake post workout with protein. Do you think I should stop this practice?

  • Aliceq

    2/27/2010 4:04:02 PM |

    I might add that the Thanksgiving post-feast lethargy, conventionally attributed to tryptophan-overload, is likely due instead to carb overload (stuffing, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, two helpings of pie). Since I've been low carb, I've generally filled up on turkey and salad at such meals (much more turkey than my dining companions), and also had much more post-prandial energy.

  • switters

    2/27/2010 4:29:41 PM |

    Why in the world would anyone put skim milk in oatmeal (or anything else, for that matter)? Drinking skim milk and consuming lean protein without adequate fat is an excellent way to spike your blood sugar and deplete your body's fat soluble nutrients.  I'd be curious to see how much oatmeal raises blood sugar when eaten with butter and cream. Maybe I'll do that experiment myself.

  • Lou

    2/27/2010 4:50:15 PM |

    I forgot to add that I tried cheerios experiment. My BG went from fasting 86 to PPG 140. I do stay active (lifting weights and running) but lately my diet has been terrible past two years. I actually used to follow low to moderate carbohydrates but being married and having an infant to deal with knocked me off the wagon. I recently got back on the wagon but I have to admit it, it has been rough start... Just have to make it to day 14th (I always found it to be much easier after 14th day or so).

  • Jolly

    2/27/2010 5:33:14 PM |

    Should we check our blood glucose 1 hour after the start of eating, or 1 hour after the end of our meal?

  • Anonymous

    2/27/2010 6:02:41 PM |

    Is this a one-hour reading or a two-hour reading that we're talking about?  And is 120 the best cut off to use?

  • B.K.

    2/27/2010 6:07:06 PM |

    We have several 'feral' apple trees around the property here. They don't make large fruits, but I've eaten up to 3 at a time (golf ball sized) and they never made me have a +40 spike. Other varieties of large store apples do, however. I was taught that the ADA recommends a 1 hour reading of no more than 180, and a 2 hour reading of no more than 140, where the 'after' reading is also less than 40 points higher than the beginning reading. So if you began at 100, you should never break 140. My standards, however, are quite a bit lower. Bring on the bacon and eggs, and I'll wait until Nature here provides me with small apples.

  • Jenny

    2/27/2010 6:32:44 PM |

    Technically, if a person gets two random blood sugars over 200 mg/dl it is enough to diagnose them as diabetic. That's according to the diagnostic criteria published by the ultra conservative American Diabetes Association.

    Based on the research I've seen on this topic, any blood sugar over 163 mg/dl one hour after eating a high carb meal and/or over 120 mg/dl at two hours after the meal is abnormal.

    Truly normal people will be back into the mid 80s two hours after eating a high carb meal. Their highest blood sugar will be about 120, which not so incidentally, is the level at which the incretin hormones seem to kick in and stimulate insulin release.

  • Beth@WeightMaven

    2/27/2010 7:45:44 PM |

    Dr. Davis, love the blog, am learning lots. And per your suggestion, have picked up a blood glucose meter to check how I respond to various carbs.

    Just a minor title quibble tho. Are there really a lot of people eating oatmeal, Cheerios, apples or bananas that think they are low-carb?

  • craig&jan

    2/27/2010 8:03:10 PM |

    Amused and surprised that you have Quaker Oats ads running between your posts...flashing images of huge bowls of oatmeal filled with fruit.  I know it costs money to run a blog but how about screening advertisers to those who promote what you believe in and are advising folks to do?

    Yes, it does show how corporate America lies to the public, but in a way you are assisting them with a platform.  Would you accept ads from Lovaza, Niaspan, etc?  

    I guess it demonstrates why doctors partner with big pharma and others even when they know it's not beneficial...$$$.

  • craig&jan

    2/27/2010 8:03:10 PM |

    Amused and surprised that you have Quaker Oats ads running between your posts...flashing images of huge bowls of oatmeal filled with fruit.  I know it costs money to run a blog but how about screening advertisers to those who promote what you believe in and are advising folks to do?

    Yes, it does show how corporate America lies to the public, but in a way you are assisting them with a platform.  Would you accept ads from Lovaza, Niaspan, etc?  

    I guess it demonstrates why doctors partner with big pharma and others even when they know it's not beneficial...$$$.

  • Anna

    2/27/2010 8:54:10 PM |

    Tony,

    You probably still have an intact glucose regulation system, so your insulin production is robust and your insulin sensitivity is good.  You might be lucky enough to always have intact BG with grains.  

    Many don't, though, and furthermore, most don't know it.  Insulin insufficiently and insulin resistance are very, very common.

    I know from experience that one can seem to be quite healthy yet BG trouble is brewing below the surface for many years.  Even with a history of gestational diabetes (treated well with a LC diet), my doctors later had no idea how high my post-prandial BG goes (Cheerios can raise it to the mid-200s) because they tend to only suspect BG issues in obese patients and  they only checked FBG, which remain at the high end of normal because of my low carb intake.  

    My own testing with Cheerios leads me to view it and other cold breakfast cereals as bowls of predigested sugar that creates roller coaster BG levels that don't feel good at all.  Steel-cut cooked oatmeal result in somewhat less high BG, but it still goes too high for too long.  For my own long-term health, my glucose meter tells me to ditch the cereals.

  • Jazwaza

    2/27/2010 9:10:44 PM |

    Those foods you listed Dr. Davis are not low-carb at all. I never eat them. What makes you think those are low-carb? Cheerios? Bananas? Oatmeal?

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/27/2010 10:06:22 PM |

    Switters--

    Although I do not advocate using skim milk, most people do. So I chose that because it's so common.


    Ellen--

    No, I would regard that as a very high-sugar breakfast. It eventually catches up to you.


    Beth--

    Yes. While YOU may realize they do not belong in a low-carb diet, an incredible number of people think they do.

  • DrStrange

    2/27/2010 10:26:34 PM |

    "Should we check our blood glucose 1 hour after the start of eating, or 1 hour after the end of our meal?"  I am bumping this question up as i would also love to have a definitive answer on it.  I know two people can sit to eat identical meals and one finish in 15 minutes and the other take 45-60.  This would make a large difference in the measurements depending on where you start time "zero"

  • mikeak

    2/27/2010 11:45:35 PM |

    Oatmeal & banana/blueberries ups my count by only 10 or so, less if I use oat bran; but I always have high-quality whole milk yogurt as the dairy portion.

  • Anonymous

    2/28/2010 1:25:16 AM |

    Is there an A1C level that good glucose control would correspond to, given that your recommendations for post prandial glucose are significantly lower than the usual 140/1hour and 120/2 hour?

  • Bobby

    2/28/2010 1:27:39 AM |

    Dr Davis: I am confused how large populations of Chinese and Japanese people who eat a high starch diet continue to have relatively low rates of heart disease. I would think that white rice would cause a high post postprandial response.
    I enjoy your posts but I need a full explanation to be convinced that you are correct on this point. Very sincerely, Bobby

  • stelladwn

    2/28/2010 3:29:46 AM |

    Ok..., I'm really lost. Recently diagnosed with type 2 on oral meds and Byetta. I don't want my children to follow my path. Thought I was being a good Mom feeding them Cheerios and Oatmeal. So now what??? WHAT DO I FEED THEM???? DR. DAVIS WHERE DO I FIND A DIET PLAN FOR THEM???

  • Ateronon

    2/28/2010 4:42:30 AM |

    I thought oatmeal was ok for some reason, because it's oatmeal, you know like what grandpa ate?
    Spiked my sugar to 190.

    I haven't eaten cereals, white breads or any potato products only for the last 3 weeks and my blood sugar has responded favorably.
    Morning test was usually a 100-105 (yikes) now it's 85-90. I'm not sure of the ideal low end but maybe I can see 70 in a few months.

    Great blog on diabetes, Jenny.

  • Peter

    2/28/2010 12:58:05 PM |

    I wonder which yields a more accurate view of what's likely to happen as you get older?

    Fasting blood sugar.
    Post-prandial blood sugar.
    Ha1c test.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/28/2010 2:42:55 PM |

    All of these issues, including when to check blood sugar, what constitutes a desirable number, etc. are all addressed in detail in the Track Your Plaque Special Report, Postprandial Responses:
    Part 3 - Carbohydrates and postprandial blood sugar at http://www.trackyourplaque.com/library/fl_04-022postprandialcarbs.asp in the open content section (first 8 or so pages).

  • ATHiker95

    2/28/2010 5:17:39 PM |

    Here's a comment on oatmeal - BG before breakfast - 125. Bowl of Quaker weight control Maple and Brown Sugar oatmeal (29 carbs, 6 g fiber, 1g sugar), 1 tablespoon of chia seeds (4 carbs,4 g Fiber), 1 scoop of flax seed (5 carbs, 4 G Fiber). Handful of pecans, splash of 2 percent milk.  BG reading 2 hours later - 181. No doubt, 210+ after an hour, but I didn't check then.  Despite all the fiber and the pecans as a source of fat to slow down the sugar rush, still no go. Moral of this story (for me) - back to eggs and meats. Smile

  • Bobby

    2/28/2010 5:57:38 PM |

    Dr Davis: I have read the entire report and it doesn't address the issue that was the basis of my question: Why do starch based oriental cultures have a low incidence of heart disease. They also eat a low fat diet.
    I look forward to your response. Many thanks, Bobby

  • Lori Miller

    2/28/2010 6:24:23 PM |

    Add me to the ranks of the low-carb eaters. I was taking Aciphex for acid reflux and discovered that PPIs have side effects such as osteoporosis, iron deficiency anemia and hip fracture. Other side effects of low stomach acid are too numerous to list here. I stopped taking them and read that high-glycemic foods (read: starchy, sugary carbs like fruit and grains) cause reflux. (See http://heartburncured.com/) By experimenting with my diet the past few days, I've found this to be true. Goodbye, starches and sugars.

    I'm making a believer out of my diabetic mom, too. The other day, she had a few bites of a bagel, some apple sauce, oatmeal--and BG of 268. She slept all day, stoned on sugar. Today, after I told her 100 times that it's the carbs, she's having bacon, cottage cheese and an egg--and a lucid state of mind.

  • Lou

    2/28/2010 10:40:50 PM |

    Bobby,

    It could be that they are not really consuming high amount of starch carbohydrates. Media always made it sound like they consume a lot of carbohydrates but the reality is that they may not really be consuming. However, things are changing as it's cheaper to produce processed foods so things will likely change for those people one day. It could be that they are more active as well slowing down heart disease progression. Cancers may get them first before heart disease happens. It's hard to know unless you actually travel there and observe them in person. It may not be what you think. It's really apple vs orange. Dr. Davis is specifically talking about USA population.

  • Patri Friedman

    2/28/2010 11:06:25 PM |

    Do you think that postprandial glucose response to a fixed meal is a good way to evaluate the effectiveness of a diet regimen?  I'm wondering how I can compare various diet alternatives (intermittent fasting vs. paleo, for example, because I don't have the willpower to do both) with simple tests.  Blood glucose tests are very appealing to me because they are easy to do at home.

    http://patrissimo.livejournal.com/1313795.html

  • DrStrange

    2/28/2010 11:14:58 PM |

    I feel like I am whipping a dead pony here but feel I must repeat this:  Increasing dietary fat increases insulin resistance.  It takes several weeks (at bare minimum 10-14 days) of dietary fat intake of 8-10% (and no more fat than that) for the body to adjust.  Once that happens, your readings will be totally different for a high UNrefined carb meal.  And I must emphasize that only one higher fat meal may re-establish your previous level of insulin resistance for several days to weeks once again.  Eating eggs, meats, high fat diet day after day and then one high carb meal is an altogether different experiment and does not tell you in any way how you would fair on a consistently low fat, high UNrefined carb diet.

    Really, once insulin resistance is reduced you will get totally different readings even for a refined carb meal as in a glucose tolerance test.

  • Anna

    2/28/2010 11:46:14 PM |

    Bobby,

    There's so much more to it than simply the amount of starch in the diet.  Starch is probably fine if the metabolism is functioning as it should.  But western diet and lifestyles often lead to a high amount of metabolic dysfunction, which eventually progresses to impaired glucose (& starch)  tolerance and finally diabetes.  Note that even in industrial Japan (where the diet has changed much in the past several decades), the rate of T2 diabetes incidence is quickly rising in the young.  

    This is a huge topic and there isn't enough discussion about it when various "traditional" diets are compared.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 1:28:15 PM |

    Dr. Strange--

    Sorry, but I don't buy it.

    I've seen the opposite effect play out countless times: High fasting glucoses and high postprandial glucoses normalize with reductions in carbohydrates, increases in fats.

    I saw this effect in myself over 15 years ago when I was diabetic. Now, I am no longer diabetic due to increased fats, dramatically reduced carbohydrates.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 1:31:16 PM |

    Bobby--

    Perhaps a topic for a future discussion.

    Being part Japanese, I can tell you that rice is typicaly eaten sprinkled with rice vinegar. That alone can modify glycemic responses.

    Also, I don't believe that the Japanese diet is that high-carbohydrate. Miso, nori, mebushi, fish, natto, tofu, etc.--aside from rice, these staples are low-carb or zero-carb.

    Also, check your blood sugar after rice; Nothing like wheat or sugars.

  • Bobby

    3/1/2010 1:55:03 PM |

    Dr. Davis: Thanks for the reply. I would love you discuss this topic in more detail in the future.
    Respectfully, I do take issue with your statement that the Japanese diet is not primarily a high carb diet. I lived in Japan for a few months and even lived with a family there. Our diet was primarily rice. Seaweeds and small amounts of fish were added, but it was basically a low carb, low fat diet. I absolutely agree that wheat played not part in their diet.
    I have enjoyed the topic. Bobby

  • DrStrange

    3/1/2010 3:33:23 PM |

    Dr.Davis, yes of course your blood sugar normalized when you drastically reduced carbs and increased fat!  You stopped eating foods directly convert to blood glucose!  The body can run on primarily glucose from carbs or by converting fats via ketosis, yes?

    What I am talking about takes a couple weeks at minimum to occur and that is a dramatic reduction in insulin resistance when dietary fats are consistently reduced to 8-10% total calories.

    The body seems to work either way, running primarily on carbs OR primarily on fats BUT NOT on both at once.  That seems to be where the big problems arise and is the SAD, high carb/high fat diet.  Also of course, SAD is high junk, fake food which greatly exacerbates the problems.

    The misunderstanding comes and is continually repeated because people try one meal of high carb after eating high fat over time so their body has fairly high IR.  You must eat very low fat, every single meal, for a couple weeks minimum to see the effect I am talking about and some people take longer than that for their bodies to loose the IR

  • Kamila

    3/1/2010 3:59:00 PM |

    Of topic, for which I apologise Dr. Davis, but here is an article in the mainstream media which questions the efficacy of omega-3 likening the taking of it to a "cult". - The cult of omega-3

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8543172.stm

    From the article: "There's no evidence that omega-3 reduces the risk of death or heart attack or stroke or anything like that in those of us who have not recently had a heart attack,"

  • Anonymous

    3/1/2010 4:13:35 PM |

    Somewhat tangential, but anyone see the report on President Obama's cholesterol checkup:

    138 LDL
    62 HDL
      9 (calc from TC)

    209 TC

    It is interesting that even the President gets just the same old calculated rather than measured cholesterol test.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 6:21:10 PM |

    Dr. Strange--

    Fifteen years ago, I went on the Ornish diet: no meat, no oils, just vegetables, fruits, legumes, and whole grains. I also jogged 5-8 miles per day.

    I gained 30 lbs and became diabetic with blood sugars of 167 mg/dl or so.

    While my personal experience does not prove or disprove the concept, I've witnessed this phenomenon many, many times.

    Conversely, I have never seen anybody become a diabetic on a high-fat diet.

  • Beth

    3/1/2010 7:42:38 PM |

    FWIW, I measured BG before & after a breakfast of 1/2 cup oatmeal -- 94 before, 115 (1 hour) after.  That was with 1/4 cup ground flax, a handful of frozen cranberries (whole, no sugar) and 2 T of heavy cream.

    I have read that eating fat with carb lowers the effective glycemic index, which may help explain why the BG didn't rise much.

    Beth

  • Anonymous

    3/1/2010 11:20:00 PM |

    I learn so much from your blog here and at Health Central, Dr. Davis.  Thank you for the time you put into these free blogs.
    I am not diabetic but had gestational diabetes with each of my three pregnancies so I am very interested in doing things to help me not become diabetic.  I have tested my blood sugar after eating old fashioned oatmeal with nuts and a dash of milk and it stays below 100, very surprising.  However if I eat a meal of tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwich it will go over 160.  In testing like I do, I am learning what I can eat and what food combinations work for now.  I'll keep checking as time goes on.
    Char

  • Sifter

    3/2/2010 3:36:18 AM |

    Well, I bought a $10 'True" meter at Walgreens. Fasting reading after 9 hours of no food or drink,(morning) 91.  Ate two eggs cooked in butter, had a bagel ( I know, I know) with Skippy peanut butter on it. Waited 70  minutes, got a reading of 93. Hmmmm......I'm pretty sure everything is calibrated right. Does that second reading make sense?

  • westie

    3/3/2010 8:41:33 AM |

    Dr Strange:

    "The body seems to work either way, running primarily on carbs OR primarily on fats BUT NOT on both at once."

    That's right but how can you control how much fat or glucose your body uses? As Dr. Davis mentioned Ornish type diet + aerobic exercise does not work.

    I don't say that you are complete wrong of course. Insulin resistance is usually related to increased fatty acid avaibility and that will lead to the wise comment made by Stan (Heretic). When your subcutaneous adipose tissue functions normally you do not accumulate visceral fat and get metabolic syndrome and/or T2DM.

    I don't know if low carb will eventually restore health but it will certainly give more time and low blood glucose rapidly. But there may be limitations to low carb also since you have only limited access to decide what your body does with ingested foods.

  • DrStrange

    3/3/2010 9:17:04 PM |

    Westie, actually an Ornish type diet does work IF you do NOT eat refined carbs.  You have to only eat real, whole plant foods, as close to intact as possible.  Refined carbs will alway spike bg and raise triglyerides etc.  Some people do not do well on low carb diets.  I did Bernstein's version, very strict, for about 9 months and felt worse and worse as time went on.  Low low energy, irritable, post exercise exhaustion that would last 24-48 hours, absolutely no endurance.  Yes my blood sugar was good but it is even better on McDougall (Ornish type) diet.  My lipid profile is good.  I feel much better in every respect, much more healthy.  The diet does work and well!

  • westie

    3/4/2010 8:29:37 AM |

    DrStrange, loss of energy is very bad thing and I'm glad you found a way to overcome that.

    McDougall diet sounds very...hmmm...American. Avoiding fats and cholesterol seems to be a main goal. That seems to me quite stupid but I'm not a doctor so lack of knowledge could explain that.

    Like most diets designed by professionals McDougall diet has very good points but McDougall +fat +cholesterol +animal protein could do better.

    I don't know where these guys have come to the conclusion that if you don't eat fat you don't "have it". Every day most of the energy one uses comes from fats even on a McDougall diet.

  • DrStrange

    3/4/2010 3:06:13 PM |

    McDougall diet does not avoid fat, only no added, extracted fat.  Whatever is present already in plants is good for you and necessary.  Some people (me)(not all) add an ounce or so of flax or chia to get some additional omega 3 to balance the predominance of omega 6 in most veg and grains.  And no, you are not getting most of your calories from fat as the starches in the complex carbs convert quickly directly to glucose which is your energy source.  If you stuff yourself and overeat and get too many calories, then yes you get conversion of glucose to fat but it will go to storage.  Eating that kind of diet, your physiology is tuned to burning glucose and you will have plenty of glucose to burn, so you will store that fat.  Also, if you eat refined carbs, added sweeteners, dried fruit, things that spike blood sugar too high, then some of that will be converted to triglycerides and fat.

    Dr McDougall calls his diet "starch centered" as that is the source of fuel, starch converted to glucose.  This as opposed to a fat centered diet ie low carb, where you get your calories from burning fat.  Really not "American" but global as most traditional diets were/are starch centered with small amounts of animal products and mostly a wide variety of produce.

  • Drs. Cynthia and David

    3/4/2010 8:42:22 PM |

    DrStrange- you seem to be ignoring Dr. Davis's comment- Ornish did not work well for him (or for most people that I'm aware of).  I can't imagine anyone with "normal" metabolism who would not do better on a low carb diet.  There are people with carnitine defiencies or genetic defects that reduce fatty acid translocation across the mitochondria (such as palmitoylcarnitine transferase deficiency) who cannot use fatty acids effectively for fuel and must eat a high carb diet for energy.  But those people and types of metabolism are rare.  Perhaps you are one of them.

    Cynthia

  • westie

    3/5/2010 8:27:16 AM |

    DrStrange, if you eat low fat de novo lipogenesis increases automaticly. Fatty acid formation increases both in liver and in adipose tissue. With healthy insulin  sensitivity there are no problems with that. It's totally fine and healthy.

    Thinking that avoiding fat and staying on starch keeps fat out of the body is simple wrong and it is usually part of intentional marketing or unintentional black & white type thinking (stupidity?).

    Avoiding fat in fact leads to "hardening" of your lipid profile in AT since glucose is metabolized to palmitic acid in the liver and then transported to storage.

    McDougall diet has excellent ingredients but thinking that cholesterol or animal fat will automaticly lead to overweight and disease is truely false. You can claim it to be true and believe it but I'm sorry to say it seems to be false.

    Glucose and fats both makes important fuels and I personally love them both.

    Cynthia wrote:

    "I can't imagine anyone with "normal" metabolism who would not do better on a low carb diet."

    If a persons health is dependent on some kind of a restricting diet can you say that person has a healthy metabolism? It can be seen as "normal" but it sure isn't healthy. For type 2 diabetics low carb will bring lot of help and quite fast but will it make carbs bad? Not in my opinion.

    Things that cause metabolic syndrome, heart disease or other illnesses should be blaimed. Loss of insulin sensitivity is bad and restricting low calorie diets are bad. Most natural way to heal your metabolism is not through restriction, but through giving your body what it needs to recover and stay in good health and shape.

  • darloudasha

    3/6/2010 10:25:53 PM |

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  • Jack

    11/24/2010 4:00:02 PM |

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    Also, soaking oats in an acidic base drastically changes the composition of the oats, reducing phytates and improving digestion and nutrient absorption.

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    Add in some coconut oil, maybe a bit of raw honey and/or stevia, cinnamon, real vanilla, and bake at 350 degrees for 35 minutes.

    Cut a nice piece out and add some cream and pasture butter, maybe a few blueberries.

    #1 your whole house will smell like the holiday season.

    #2 you will have a nutrient filled serving of soaked oatmeal.

    I'd imagine though, with the honey and the oats, that even a normal sized serving will be on the higher side in carbs, so you wouldn't want to eat this all the time and you wouldn't want to have carb heavy foods for the remainder of your day.

    I know Dr Davis doesn't recommend oatmeal or butter, but if you're gonna do it you may as well do it right and I think this is leagues better than the instant garbage most people eat every single day. blucchhkk!

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Niacin vs. low-carb weight loss

Niacin:

--Raises HDL and shifts HDL towards the healthier large (HDL2b) subclass.
--Reduces total LDL.
--Reduces small LDL particles.
--Reduces triglycerides and triglyceride-containing particles like VLDL and IDL (intermediate-density lipoprotein).
--Reduces fibrinogen.
--Reduces inflammatory responses.


Weight loss achieved through a low-carbohydrate (read "wheat-free") diet:

--Raises HDL and shifts HDL towards the healthier large (HDL2b) subclass.
--Reduces total LDL.
--Reduces small LDL particles.
--Reduces triglycerides and triglyceride-containing particles like VLDL and IDL (intermediate-density lipoprotein).
--Reduces fibrinogen.
--Reduces inflammatory responses.


Curious, isn't it? Niacin achieves virtually the same effect as weight loss achieved through a low-carbohydrate diet, particularly if free of wheat products. The only major difference is that niacin also reduces lipoprotein(a), though even that distinction shrinks if monounsaturated fat sources like almonds are included in a low-carbohydrate program.

So which should you do first if you have any of the above patterns? Well, it's a question of 1) severity, 2) how carbohydrate-rich your starting diet is, 3) how much weight you could stand to lose, and 4) how urgent your program is (determined largely by your heart scan score).

Niacin can also be very helpful if you've taken full advantage of weight loss through a carbohydrate-restricted program, yet still retain some of the abnormal lipoprotein patterns that could continue to grow coronary plaque. For instance, if HDL cholesterol rises from 28 to 40 mg/dl by eliminating wheat and reducing carbohydrates and losing weight, niacin could raise HDL to 50 mg/dl or higher.

As much as I love and use niacin for its broad array of plaque-controlling effects, a low-carbohydrate, wheat-free diet can achieve many of the same effects. Use this strategy to full advantage.

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  • Peter

    12/10/2007 9:17:00 AM |

    Hi Dr Davis, nice post

    The parallels you describe so neatly become self explanatory once you realise that niacin acts on the beta hydroxybutyrate receptor. Even without full blown ketosis, LC diets raise the level of the natural ligand for the receptor that niacin, at pharmacological dose rates, stimulates. And no flush from LC.

    Regarding LC diets as a means to weight loss alone misses their intrinsic health benefits.

    Peter

    Nicotinic acid receptor subtypes and their ligands.
    Soudijn W, van Wijngaarden I, Ijzerman AP
    Med Res Rev. 2007 May;27(3):417-33

  • Dr. Davis

    12/10/2007 12:53:00 PM |

    Thanks, Peter. I wasn't aware of that.

  • keith

    12/10/2007 5:34:00 PM |

    In your experience have you seen a lipoprotein benefit to a wheat-free diet in people where there is little excess weight to lose, say 5 to 10 lbs?

  • Dr. Davis

    12/10/2007 11:29:00 PM |

    Yes, though the magnitude of benefit is usually less. In this case, small LDL in particular is largely genetically driven. You can only hope to suppress it to a minimum.

  • chcikadeenorth

    12/11/2007 2:48:00 PM |

    as soon as I started lc, after about three months my hdl went from 40 to 68 and stays there, I don't excercise much so its not due to anything but lc I assumed.

    However,my score from scan went from 183 in '04 to 390 in 07 so that alarmed me but my doc said if I didn't lc, as I lc most the time, calcium score could have been way higher.lc is not only great for weigh loss but bg and craving control
    Thnx for comparison list, wish ADA would recognize this.

  • Anonymous

    12/11/2007 5:23:00 PM |

    Chickadee North - While I am a believer in reducing/eliminating processed carbs especially for people who have metabolic syndrome, are diabetic and/or overweight, you still had an increase in calcification of 30% per year.  That outcome is consistent with the results that occur when there is no intervention in terms of diet/drugs/lifestyle.  Thus, I am somewhat skeptical that the low carb diet kept you from having an even greater increase in calcified plaque.

  • Cindy Moore

    12/12/2007 3:57:00 AM |

    There are other benefits from low carb that you don't see with niacin. Lower BP, lessening (at minimum) of symptoms of many chronic diseases, lower blood sugar and insulin levels...all very important in today's world!

    Can you please comment on this article:
    http://in.reuters.com/article/health/idINWRI08496320071210
    "In middle-aged and older women considered to be at low risk for heart disease, calcium build-up in their heart arteries, an indicator of artery-clogging plaque, predicts the development of heart disease and heart-related events like chest pain, heart attack and stroke, new research shows."
    Doesn't plaque and calcium build up in the heart indicate heart disease?

  • Dr. Davis

    12/12/2007 1:04:00 PM |

    Yes, excellent points!

    I believe that study is yet another piece of evidence that heart scans (for coronary calcium and plaque quantification) are vastly superior to risk factor analysis, such as that in the Framingham equation. As the study points out, the Framingham risk equation mis-classified a substantial number of people as low-risk.

    Incomprehensibly, the report quotes some reviewers as saying "There is not enough evidence to support coronary artery calcium screening in low-risk women and they call for further studies to better identify who would benefit from such screening."

    This is another study among many that have shown similar results.  How many people have to die or have heart attacks needlessly before the deeply entrenched habits of the status quo are broken?

  • Stan

    12/12/2007 2:23:00 PM |

    Re: "In middle-aged and older women considered to be at low risk for heart disease, calcium build-up in their heart arteries, an indicator of artery-clogging plaque, predicts the development of heart disease..."

    I think this relates to Dr. Davis orignal post on low carb.  Since glucose metabolism involves a lot more calcium than lipid or ketone metabolism then perhaps excessive calcium build up may be a proxy for excessive glucose metabolism?

      It may explain a curious fact that anything that switches metabolism away from glucose (e.g. niacine acting towards ketone b., vitamin D3, fasting or L.C. diet) would also at the same time act protective against the coronary heart disease?  Interesting!

    Stan (Heretic)

  • Cindy Moore

    12/12/2007 4:12:00 PM |

    But my question is....If there are already calcifications doesn't that mean there is already Heart Disease?

    So the women with calcium plaques would HAVE heart disease, not be AT RISK of developing it?

    "...calcium build-up in their heart arteries, an indicator of artery-clogging plaque, predicts the development of heart disease..."

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    12/12/2007 4:19:00 PM |

    Somewhat unrelated question:  
    Angiotensin II inhibitors like Benicar apparently have the additional effect of dramatically lowering Vitamin D 1,25D in the body, and some think this is useful for people with Lyme disease and chronic fatigue system ("Marshall Protocol" http://snipurl.com/1v5s6). [Adherents of this protocol believe that in these diseases, opportunistic bacteria thrive on the additional Vitamin D.]

    However, for hypertensives who don't have CFS or Lyme disease, does this trait mean that drugs like Benicar, while reducing blood pressure, might be increasing coronary blockage by interfering with Vitamin D?  (I guess my questions are, Am I concerned with the right form of Vitamin D?  If  so, are angiotensin II inhibitors problematic for blocking Vitamin D?  Do they make Vitamin D supplementation pointless? If so, what's a better drug for hypertension?)

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  • d.rosart

    12/12/2007 5:09:00 PM |

    A few things we don't know about chickadee north;

    1 her age. (did she just enter menopause or premenopause?
    2 when she started her low carb diet.
    3 how often her heart was scanned between 2004 and 2007.
    Without knowing these, I think we have to give her doctor the benefit of the doubt.

  • Dr. Davis

    12/12/2007 10:36:00 PM |

    Cindy--
    Yes, you are absolutely right.

    In arteries, calcium = atherosclerotic plaque, not risk for plaque. It is a risk for coronary "events" like heart attack, however.

  • Dr. Davis

    12/12/2007 10:37:00 PM |

    The Benicar/ARB and vitamin D connection is interesting. I've never heard of it. Do you have any data or references?

  • Anonymous

    12/13/2007 12:32:00 AM |

    Honestly, I'm a layperson and can't comment intelligently on it other than to suggest you look at marshallprotocol.com

    Some of the things that jumped out at me were Benicar's (and to a lesser extent, other angiotensin 2 inhibitors) ability to block  at least one D3 variant, the idea that chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia/etc are the result of infection by a new form of bacteria that survives by hiding within immune system cells, the concept that because of this, D3 actually protects the bacteria in these patients, etc.

    It's all wayyyy out there, but fascinating, and I thought you'd be interested.  (At the very least, it might affect your choice of hypertension med.)

  • chickadeenorth

    12/13/2007 7:04:00 AM |

    I am 57 and am menopausal since 04, have lc since 03 and fell off wagon for almost a yr,was in extreme grief with death of kid sis and other significants in my life and neglected me.

    Had one scan in 04 at 186 and then second scan in 07 ( 2 weeks ago) and it was 390, so yes about 30% a yr.

    I assumed dropping A1C from 8 to 5.8 would have a bearing, no wheat products and eight loss of 80 lbs, way lower bp mostly about 110/68 or so would have given me less of  score.

    For 5 months in yr I run a B&B and work hard enough to make a sweat and in winter I walk.

    I only knew about Vit D and fish oil since coming here, few weeks back,  so take fish oil, its harsh to do as I have that HP bacteria and the fish oil makes allot of heartburn and distaste. I am waiting for the softgel Vit d 3 as can only get the dry form here, as well the l'arginine was ordered as well.
    My ldl is 97, my hdl is 68 and trig are 78.Ratio is 2.5, have not got advanced lipid profile back, should all be back this week and CRP and lip protein  were all low and within norm levels.

    I've been diabetic since 94 and needed insulin which I no longer need. I tried to use Actos as I read it reversed some plague so asked a doc for some, but it caused some chest pain and side effects so after 3 months I quit it.

    Stress has been a factor with husbands illness, many deaths and just finished testing for lung cancer( on my recent heart scan the radiologist noticed something in my lungs???? and suggested the rule out cancer??)(never smoked a puff in my life but my mental health patients smoked in my office for a few decades until I put a stop to it in 1980 and got my wrists slapped for doing that).

    Now I know I have no lung cancer am assuming my stress will decrease,husband being tested for asbestoses etc so lots of anxiety,I know thats not good for heart either,  typically I handle stress ok and use alot of humor in my life.

    So now you know more and can make some impressions. This doc doesnt really know me but felt had I continued with my program from Cdn Diabetic assc which was hi grains I would have had a higher score and my A1C couldn't get under 7.8 on insulin and I needed 158 units of humalog a day to keep it there so now I am not as insulin resistant , since lc, so maybe I would have a higher score if hadn't lc.

    I am only assuming and am only learning all about the TYProgram, I tried to introduce some oat bran daily but it spikes my BG way too much and I am aiming for AC under 5 so will stick with ground flaxSmile

    Anyone have some insight let me know, oh yes my vit d blood level was low as was DHEA, hormone levels of progesterone and all estrogens very low too from saliva test so using bio identical progesterone cream.

    I am assuming I will start on Niaspan to drop trig.

  • Dr. Davis

    12/13/2007 11:32:00 AM |

    Hi, Chickadee--

    I believe that you are on the right track. I encourage you to stay in contact through the Forum, where we can discuss your issues in more detail, along with feedback from other members.

  • chickadeenorth

    12/14/2007 3:51:00 PM |

    Yes I plan too and once all blood work back I am hiring you to do a consultation via scanner, how new age is that!!!

    I have had one diet pop a day as a treat for a sweet taste but am stopping that now too since reading about carbonation on the forum, lots of good info there for sure and dedicated membershipSmile

  • chickadeenorth

    12/15/2007 5:07:00 AM |

    Lipoprotein(a) in 2004 was 0.21g/l and in 2007 June was 0.09g/l.....so there is hope for me yetSmileSmile
    I should have new NMR results in few days.

    This 04 one I had only been low carbing for one yr.So maybe prior to that it was higher, but never had it checked ??

    I am exited to know that and now to try your ideas as if I could do that without supplementation and often off the statins....then who knows whats next SmileSmile

    Thnx soooo much for all your insightsSmileSmile

  • Dr. Davis

    12/15/2007 2:29:00 PM |

    chickadee-

    That's curious: a big drop in Lp(a) with low-carb diet. Although the diet clearly works, I've never seen such a a dramatic effect on Lp(a). Was there anything else you did?

  • chickadeenorth

    12/16/2007 2:49:00 AM |

    Yes I went off insulin, cozzaar,lipitor, slowly lost 80lb, ate only nutrient dense foods, more meat,eggs, only low gi veg,salads, olive oil daily,I am worried what if it was an error, will know in 2 days what new results are.
    Oh I ate a ton of ground flaxseed, .....my chol went up &, and HDL went from 40 to 68 and stayed there,LDl went up in that time frame and Dr Westman from Duke said its probably big fluffy good ldl stuff as typically thats what occurs with people doing low carb and getting into ketosis...could higher hdl  move out sticky lipoprotein???

  • Dr. Davis

    12/16/2007 2:45:00 PM |

    Hi, Chickadee--

    If you're asking whether higher HDLs are more likely to reverse plaque, the evidence would suggest that it does. HDL is probably crucial for plaque regression, since it acts as a "scavenger" of cholesterol in atherosclerotic plaque.

  • chickadeenorth

    12/16/2007 11:59:00 PM |

    ...so if I add excercise then my hdl should go even higher right?

  • Dr. Davis

    12/17/2007 2:17:00 AM |

    Yes, and the effect can be substantial if you're starting from a sedentary lifestyle.

  • chickadeenorth

    12/17/2007 6:20:00 PM |

    ...was thinking what I did, I also used a full dose adult ASA daily as read in (Edtmn Protocol( the ones who do the stem cell transplant for diabetes type I) that diabetics should use a higher dose of ASA, so have used that and folic acid 1 gr OD since 03. Dont know if this accounts for it.
    I am not sedentary from May to Oct as run a busy B&B and bust my butt but in winter I only curl and quilt and my Christmas gifo to myself is a gym membership, keeping in mind I have a terrible mind set about excercise so am working to change thatSmileMaybe I will get addicted to exercise rather than carbs.

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