The two kinds of small LDL

You won't find this in any publication nor description (at least ones that I've come across) about the ubiquitous small LDL particles. It's an observation I've made having obtained thousands of advanced lipoprotein panels of the sort that break lipoproteins down by size. I've discussed this issue previously here. But small LDL is so ubiquitous, not addressed by conventional strategies like statin drugs or fat restriction (it is made worse, in fact, by reducing fat in the diet), that it is worth keeping at the top of everyone's consciousness.

(Because most of the lipoprotein analyses performed in my office are done via NMR, I will discuss in terms relevant to NMR. This does not necessarily mean that similar observations cannot be made with centrifugation, i.e, VAP from Atherotech, or gel electropheresis from Berkeley, Boston Heart Lab, Spectracell, and others).

There are two basic varieties of small LDL particles:

1) Genetically-programmed--e.g., via cholesteryl-ester transfer protein (CETP) activity
2) Acquired--via carbohydrate consumption


It means that people with acquired small LDL from carbohydrate consumption can reduce small LDL to zero with reduction of carbohydrates, especially the most small LDL-provoking foods of all: wheat, cornstarch, and sucrose.

It also means that people who have small LDL for genetically-determined reasons can only minimize, not eliminate, small LDL. By NMR, we struggle to keep small LDL in the 300-600 nmol/L range when genetically-determined. (People typically start with 1400-3000 nmol/L small LDL particles prior to diet changes and other efforts.) We can only presumptively identify genetically-determined small LDL when all the appropriate efforts have been made, including reduction in weight to ideal, yet small LDL persists.

Here is where we need better tools: when you've done everything possible, yet small LDL persists.

While we break LDL particles (NOT LDL cholesterol, the crude and misleading way of viewing atherosclerosis causation) down by size, it's really about all the undesirable characteristics that accompany small size:

--Distortion of Apo B conformation--i.e., the primary protein that directs LDL particle fate is distorted, making it less likely to be cleared by the liver but more likely to be taken up by inflammatory (macrophages) in the artery wall, creating plaque. It means that small LDL particles linger for a longer time than larger particles.

--Small LDLs are more oxidation-prone. Oxidized LDL are more avidly taken up by inflammatory macrophages.

--Small LDLs are more glycation-prone.

--Small LDLs are more adherent to structural tissues, e.g., glycosaminoglycans, that reside in the artery wall.

You and I cannot measure such phenomena, so we resort to distinguishing LDL particles by size.

The drug industry believes it may have a solution to small LDL in the form of CETP-inhibiting drugs, like anacetrapib. In the way of nutritional solutions beyond carbohydrate reduction, weight loss/exercise, niacin, vitamin D normalization, and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation, there are exciting but very preliminary data surrounding the possibility that anthocyanins may inhibit CETP activity. Having toyed with this concept for the past 6 months, I remain uncertain how meaningful the effect truly is, but it is harmless, since we obtain anthocyanins from foods colored purple or purplish, such as blackberries, blueberries, cherries, red leaf lettuce, red cabbage, etc.

I welcome any unique observations on this issue.

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  • Tommy

    12/27/2010 3:37:38 PM |

    "But small LDL is so ubiquitous, not addressed by conventional strategies like statin drugs or fat restriction (it is made worse, in fact, but reducing fat in the diet)"

    Just to be clear about the above quote. You say "it is made worse, in fact, but reducing fat." Did you mean "by" reducing fat?

    Also, if that is the case, is that because of the fat itself or because less fat means replacing it with carbs?

  • Jonathan Byron

    12/27/2010 4:50:45 PM |

    In addition to CETP inhibition, some other benefits of red/blue/purple foods (that also include polyphenols other than the anthocyanins - elligitanins, etc) include:

    1) inhibition of amylase - less of a blood sugar spike after eating starchy foods, less aberrant glycation and AGEs.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15796622

    2) Estrogenic activity - anthocyanin stimulates the beta-estrogen receptors in blood vessels and bone, not much activity in the alpha receptors in breast, uterus.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20049322

    3) Phosphodiesterase inhibition!
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15769121

  • Peter

    12/27/2010 5:09:05 PM |

    I was surprised that Ron Krauss, who did a lot of research on small particle LDL and recently published a mega-study supposedly showing saturated fat is unrelated to heart disease, made these comments in a recent interview:

    People should limit saturated fat to 10% of their diet, though some can get away with more.

    Optimal carbs intake: 35 to 40%.

    People used to get heart disease from high cholesterol, but now its mainly high carbs.

    The interview is here, and those ideas are toward the end:

    http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/03/26/ldl-cholesterol-ron-krauss-md/

    I would love to know if you have any comment.

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  • steve

    12/27/2010 9:35:35 PM |

    sometimes it comes down to our health being all about our genetics. As a result of the recomendations of this blog with regard to wheat and sugar elimination, normalizing vitamin D i have taken down my LDL from 1810, all small to 609 of which 346 are small; i can only lower my particles with statins- diet alone will not do it.  My understanding of the research is that at low levels, size does not matter. I will note that when my particles were sky high i thought i was follwoing a very healthy low fat, grain oriented diet.  Now, i eat now grains and have a fair amount of mono fats from avocado and olive oil, some sat fat from lean meats, poultry and eggs, and hope i have minimized the progression of artery plaque that shocked me when i found out i had it when i followed healthy heart diet, exercise and maintained a very lean body weight.  Gentics are tough to overcome, but the risks can be minimzed via diet and meds.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    12/28/2010 6:12:34 AM |

    Different segments of the same carotid artery can apparently be affected by a different gene. Each segment is itself susceptable to different pathological processes, like shear rate of the near inner arterial wall. Artherosclerosis at different arterial segments seem to predict if pathological event will be ischemic stroke or myocardial infarction.

    The North Manhattan Study tried to tweak 145 genes modulated by 702 single nucleotide polymorphisms. That study and the San Antonio, Erasmo Rucphen and Framingham have led to opinions that 30% to 60% of the thickness of the carotid artery's intima-media is geneticly inherited. Then for carotid plaque +/- 28% is passed on geneticly.

    Sex of the individual and racial ethnicity are other genetic variables. Doc Davis' clinical observation is telling us something equally important about small LDL's genetic variation.

  • Ryan

    12/28/2010 2:47:00 PM |

    Is small LDL the "VLDL" on blood results?

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/28/2010 2:55:38 PM |

    Hi, Tommy--

    Yes, indeed. Just a typo.

    Probably both.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/28/2010 2:57:59 PM |

    Hi, Jonathan--

    Excellent! Yes, the conversation surrounding anthocyanins is becoming increasingly interesting.



    Hi, Peter--

    I don't personally know Ron Krauss, but I too have been puzzled by the fact that his public comments don't seem to reflect his research findings. If he were to echo the important findings of his research, he would indeed be a low-carb, high-fat advocate.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/28/2010 2:59:31 PM |

    Steve--

    Wonderful results! The diet approach works, no doubt about it.


    Hi, Ryan--

    No, two different things.

  • Anonymous

    12/29/2010 5:50:28 AM |

    Hello Dr.Davis,
    Your comments sound very similar to Dr Ray Strand...do you read his work? If not, I think you would enjoy his thoughts. His website is www.drraystrand.com
    Cheers,
    Sue in BC Canada

  • Brent

    12/29/2010 4:02:25 PM |

    Question for all you Small Particle techies out there.  Always had "Good" lipid panels, even though overweight and borderline type 2 under control with a low carb diet.

    Numbers usually average:
    Total Cholesterol 125
    LDL  65
    HDL  45
    Tri  90  

    Just got first particle size test done, results in VAP format:  

    LDL-1Innocent 3
    LDL-2Innocent 0
    LDL-3(B) 36
    LDL-4(B) 34

    I know particle size goes down as the LDL- number goes up, but how do these numbers translate to the NMR numbers Dr. Davis listed as a target for those of us genetically pre-disposed to pattern B LDL?

  • Anonymous

    12/29/2010 9:22:31 PM |

    ^I'm interested in the same thing

  • David

    12/30/2010 8:30:59 PM |

    Brent,

    Your small LDL makes up 96% of your total LDL particles. This is a severe pattern.

    Also, your HDL is too low and your triglycerides are a tad too high. Dr. Davis' Track Your Plaque goal of 60-60-60 is a good rule of thumb. LDL down to 60, HDL up to 60, trigs down to 60.

    If you're currently following a low-carb diet and still have all of this small LDL, your small LDL pattern is probably the genetic type that Dr. Davis talks about here.

    David

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What your doctor doesn't know about heart disease

What your doctor doesn't know about heart disease

What causes coronary heart disease or coronary atherosclerotic plaque, this thing that we track with heart scans?

Well, here are a few little-publicized facts about heart disease that you are unlikely to hear from your When's-the-next-stent? cardiologist or the What is there besides statins? primary care doctor.

(Since everybody knows that smoking is a modifiable risk for heart disease that can be readily identified, let's focus on the blood tests that reveal heart disease causes.)


What's the number one most common cause for heart disease?

Small LDL particles. The proliferation and popularity of the snack food/processed food culture, compounded with the "eat more healthy whole grain " propaganda has launched small LDL solidly to first place as the most common reason to have heart attacks, stents, and bypass. All that advice to increase your "healthy whole grain" intake? It increases heart attack risk.


What's the number one most aggressive cause for heart disease?

That's lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a). It's certainly not high cholesterol, though the drug industry loves that you think that. We could argue over whether smoking is more aggressive, but the two are pretty darned close. Combine the two--Lp(a) in a smoker--and the combination is an explosively powerful trigger for heart disease and stroke.


What's the number two cause for heart disease?

After small LDL comes low HDL cholesterol. Ask anyone who has had a heart attack: What was your cholesterol panel like? 9 out of 10 will say "My LDL cholesterol was 135 mg/dl" while knowing little or nothing about HDL, which is commonly in the 30-42 mg/dl range--sufficient to contribute to heart disease risk considerably.


Can "normal" thyroid hormone tests still contribute to heart disease?

Yes. Hypothyroidism is an exceptionally powerful risk factor for heart disease. Many people have been told that their thyroid tests are "normal," when in reality risk for heart disease may be as much as tripled from low thyroid with thyroid blood tests in the "normal" range.


Does a "balanced, healthy diet" prevent heart disease?

No, it does not. In fact, the modern notion of a "balanced, healthy diet" increases risk for heart disease. Of course, the dangers of such diets vary, depending on how you define it. If it's the diet advocated by the USDA Food Pyramid, then it is an enormously destructive diet that causes your health to careen towards both diabetes and heart disease. The American Heart Association TLC diet is little better.


Does eating fish twice a month reduce heart attack risk?

Yes, it does--but just barely. Unfortunately, large studies that show that eating fish as infrequently as twice per month reduce risk for dying from heart attack have led some authorities to suggest that's all you need to do. What they fail to understand is that the benefit is dose-dependent--the greater the intake of omega-3 fatty acids, the greater the benefit (within reason, of course). So, while the effect can be detected by eating fish twice per month, it doesn't mean that full benefits are achieved with this "dose." Full benefits are obtained by mimicking the omega-3 intake of the Japanese.


Do nutritional supplements reduce risk for heart attack?

If you are referring to vitamin D, then, yes, nutritional supplements reduce risk for heart attack . . . enormously. We need more data to validate this phenomenon, though epidemiologic observations strongly bear this out, including the Health Professionals Follow-up Study, the Framingham Heart Study and NHANES, all of which demonstrate a graded effect: the lower the vitamin D blood level, the greater the risk for heart attack.

Over the years, we've experienced more than our share of disappointments in nutritional supplements for heart disease, including vitamin E and B vitamins to reduce homocysteine. But I believe that nothing approaches the solid feel of vitamin D--no other nutritional supplement raises HDL, reduces triglycerides, reduces blood sugar, enhances insulin responses, reduces the inflammatory C-reactive protein, reduces blood pressure like vitamin D. Vitamin D is here to stay--and I'm very grateful.

And don't forget omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil, yet another supplement with unquestioned benefits for reduction of heart attack and death from heart attack.


Why didn't your doctor counsel you on the importance of these issues?

The primary reasons your doctor didn't tell you any of the above:

1) He/she has been persuaded that only drugs are of any real use in health. Nutritional supplements? Hah!

2) Neither the number one cause of heart disease in the U.S.--small LDL particles--nor the most aggressive cause for heart disease--Lp(a)--are corrected by patent-protectable, high profit pharmaceutical agents promoted to your doctor. Instead, these abnormalities can be corrected inexpensively, without prescription. That means no expensive commercials, no media spots, no write-ups in magazines.

3) Your doctor's business is to treat crisis: sore throat, broken ankle, lung tumor, heart attack. Prevent heart disease 10 or 20 years before it shows itself? Heck, no (unless the marketing pull of the drug industry is involved, of course).


It's best that you bear in mind: What your doctor doesn't know can kill you.

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  • Anonymous

    3/10/2009 12:51:00 PM |

    Can you expand a little on the non-pharma management of small LDL particles and of Lp(a)?  Thanks.

  • Stevie

    3/10/2009 5:53:00 PM |

    Well I know our GP is clueless. So glad we found you Dr. Davis!

    Stevie and the cptn

  • Anonymous

    3/10/2009 9:13:00 PM |

    I agree with the evidence on Vitamin D and the heart, and with the conclusion that many nutritional supplements that seemed promising ultimately showed little or no benefit. But niacin has not been a disappointment in raising HDL or lowering mortality.  

    JRB

  • pmpctek

    3/11/2009 1:41:00 AM |

    "Can you expand a little on the non-pharma management of small LDL particles and of Lp(a)? Thanks." -  Anonymous

    "The proliferation and popularity of the snack food/processed food culture, compounded with the "eat more healthy whole grain " propaganda has launched small LDL solidly to first place as the most common reason to have heart attacks, stents, and bypass." - Dr. Davis

    In other words, limit (or better yet, stop) eating corn starch, flour, sugar, sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, dextrose, or just about anything your GP calls a "healthy" grain or cereal (including barley, bulgur, durum, maize, millet, oats, rye, semolina, wheat, etc.)  Also, a diet that's generally low in carbohydrates (100 grams/d or less) will go a long way.

    Non-pharma management of Lp(a)?

    I'd love to know that one too.

  • ned50

    3/12/2009 6:04:00 AM |

    Appreciate some help please! I know I have adrenal insufficiency and suspect I have low thyroid too. All the advice seems to be that I need to fix adrenals first but I'm struggling to do this despite taking all recommended supplements (except corticosteroids which i can't take because of glaucoma). Struggling to cope with high anxiety, poor sleep etc. Any advice or personal experience?

  • Anonymous

    3/13/2009 4:07:00 AM |

    Ned,

    I started using Relacore about 10 days ago. I take it to help repair my adrenals and my thyroid. My body temp has gone up from 97.2 to 97.8 in that time. Still not where I want it to be, but I doubt anything would heal me overnight. I also hear good things about DHEA, but I am not going to take that at the same time I take Relacore as Relacore has DHEA in it. I am wary of too much of a good thing.

  • Trinkwasser

    3/13/2009 2:44:00 PM |

    IMO lots of Omega 3s are good so long as you don't spoil the effect by eating lots of Omega 6s and spoiling the balance all over again (as some "authorities" recommend)

  • Anonymous

    3/13/2009 9:26:00 PM |

    Or one could say "What your doctor 'knows' can kill you!"

  • Anonymous

    3/14/2009 7:21:00 PM |

    Be interesting to hear some commentary on the Chia seed ipo fish oil as it has a high Omega 3 to 6 ratio

  • Bruce

    4/1/2009 8:36:00 PM |

    If you've already had a heart attack or bypass, cardiologists are adamant about prescribing statins. The evidence is supposedly stronger for secondary prevention.

    What evidence is there that a carb-restricted diet with supplments can prevent a second MI or CVD-related death?

  • Ben Takes Natural Remedy From Heart Disease

    8/8/2010 1:29:08 AM |

    This was a great article about heart disease. I am always comes to search to internet for some research that I need to know. I landed to your article and it was great has a lots of information about heart disease and explain well. Thank you for sharing this information. Very helpful...

    Thank you,
    Ben

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Calculus of the cardiologist

Calculus of the cardiologist

I call this the "calculus of the cardiologist":

Heart procedures = big money

More procedures = more big money

You do the math. If you do more procedures, you get more money.
What if your patients don't need more procedures? That's easy. You lower the bar on reasons to do procedures. You scare the pants off people and lead them to think that all heart disease or questions about heart disease are potentially life-threatening. You could even appear to be doing the patient a big favor. "My Lord! This is potentially dangerous. We need to perform a procedure without delay!"

There are incentives beyond direct cash payment. A patient of mine today showed me a memo to employees in his company that showed why certain hospitals are targeted for care. The criteria for choosing centers was based on number of procedures performed. In other words, the more procedures performed at a hospital, the more procedures will be directed there. Of course, this makes sense at some level. More procedures can also mean greater skill.

But have we lost sight of the fact that the mission is not more procedures and more money, but to get rid of a disease? If the intensity of effort devoted to heart procedures were re-directed to early detection, prevention, and reversal of disease, we'd have half the hospitals we now have. We'd also chop a huge chunk out of the national healthcare budget.

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  • Anonymous

    11/3/2006 1:29:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis,
    Another well-written post!  

    Joe

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