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Lucky Lime
Post Date: 12/6/2023
Mathematical model of making yogurt
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Post Date: 4/20/2024
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Post Date: 5/22/2024
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Post Date: 5/16/2024
2024-05-22 (Wed) 7:00PM CDT (01:00 UTC) Vmeet thread: Physical Exercise and Cognition
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Post Date: 5/17/2024
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Post Date: 5/21/2024
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Lucky Lime: 

PHGG Partially Hydrolyzed Guar Gum 210g Powder - 

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Post Date: 5/22/2024
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Reference
Post Date: 6/6/2018
Iodine Quick Reference

Iodine Periodic Table cell for Iodine Quick Reference

Page edition: 2024-05-18
Note: Although this article is public, not all links within it are.

NOTE:
This is a two-part sticky article. Iodine supplementation
must be considered within the context of what is known about
Part 2: 🦋thyroid status. Testing is strongly recommended.

Contents

Overall context for this topic
🛈 General information
⦿  Program intake target
Cautions
Supplement considerations
🛒  Supplement suggestions
🧪  Testing considerations

 

Context

Iodine (element Periodic Table cell for Iodine ) is one of the small number of core program supplements. Due to several modern issues, iodine intake is deficient for many people. Your level, on starting the program, is highly likely to be sub-optimal. Challenges include:

  • low salt mania resulting in reduced intake of iodized salt;
  • inland crops, and industrial-scale crops providing less iodine;
  • seafood consumption often reduced vs. historical levels;
  • iodine out-competed by non-native halogen compound exposure;
  • other endocrine disruptors in diet altering thyroid needs, and
  • diets no longer include game thyroid glands.⇱ Return to ToC

General Information

The need for iodine has been part of the program, going back at least a decade, and is extensively discussed in the books and program materials (page numbers shown for U.S. print editions):
📖 Wheat Belly Total Health (2014): pages 110, 179
📖 Undoctored (2017) pages 166, 278
📖 Wheat Belly Revised & Expanded (2019) page 248
📖 Super Gut (2022) page 163
🖵🗏 Iodine and Thyroid Optimization (members)
🅑 WBB: The Return of Goiters (members)
🅑 WBB: Iodine deficiency: The forgotten public health crisis (members)
🅑 WBB: Do not become iodine toxic (members)
🅑🖵 WBB: What’s the best source of iodine? (public)
🅑🖵 WBB: What’s the story with iodine? (public)
🖵🗏: An Epidemic of Thyroid Disease (members)
🖵: A Brief History of Iodine (members)
🖵🗏: Video Forum: Megadose Iodine? (members)
🖵🗏: Track Oral Temperature on Iodine (members)
🖵🗏: Should I Take Iodine with Hashimoto’s Disease? (members)⇱ Return to ToC

Program Iodine Target

Program target is based on a suggested daily intake, ideally confirmed by complete testing of thyroid status:
  300 to 350 micrograms (µg, mcg) per day (for adults)
  (per Return of Goiters, 2022-10-25, linked above)
The daily portion is micrograms (µg, mcg) of elemental iodine, and not the total weight of the iodine compounds consumed, nor that of the total dosing unit. For comparison, the U.S. RDA for adult males is presently 150µg, which is enough to prevent goiter, but has nothing necessarily to do with being optimal.

The program target usually requires an iodine ⇩supplement, in one or more forms, from a very small selection of compounds.

Iodine is needed even you have no thyroid. It is not just for supporting production of thyroid hormones.⇱ Return to ToC

Cautions

⚠ Do not exceed RDA (150 µg) with an active hyperthyroid condition, or with a reactive autoimmune thyroid condition (such as Hashimoto’s or Graves). If there is a reaction to increasing dietary iodine, back off on the portion until the issue is corrected.

Micrograms; not milligrams. Beware of megadose iodine supplements providing daily doses stated in mg, if not actual full grams.

☠ Never consume tincture of iodine. It is a topical antiseptic and is frankly toxic if consumed orally.⇱ Return to ToC

Supplement considerations

Supplement form

Before considering a supplement, have a rough idea of how much iodine you get from foods. If you eat a lot of wild-caught seafood (i.e. daily), you might not actually need to supplement. Unfortunately, many otherwise-useful sources of nutritional breakdowns entirely neglect to report iodine content.

⚠ The majority of iodine supplements on the market are megadose, and need to be avoided (or highly diluted). Iodoral® and Lugol’s are the most common of these, but even brands you’d expect to be modest dose (such as Mercola, 1500µg) can exceed suggested optimal. Radio-protective potassium iodide tablets are likewise too high in iodine for use as a supplement.

The supplement formulation suggested is:
Kelp capsules:
i.e., dried seaweed, essentially mimicking the natural means of intake that also provides iodine in all its varied forms (iodide, sodium iodate, potassium iodide, potassium iodate, iodinated proteins, etc.)
Keep the container well sealed to prevent out-gassing of the iodine. Refrigeration might be helpful. Mind the expiration date at time of purchase.

Capsules, tablets, or drops that are specifically for use as iodine supplements might be suitable for use until a kelp product can be located, but mind the total dose of elemental iodine. Most products on the market are either just RDA, or are far too high in iodine.

Low dose potassium iodide drops can be very useful in challenging a receding autoimmune thyroid condition. Look for a product that is 50 µg elemental iodine per drop (or less).

Supplement forms that are definitely suboptimal include the megadose products warned about above, plus:

  • Nori:
    Due to the way this these sheets are formulated, packaged, stored, displayed, and the ways in which they are consumed at home, and rate at which they are consumed, the iodine is usually long gone before you eat it. A 2024 report by ConsumerLab found major problems with lead, cadmium, and arsenic in all tested products.
  • Iodized salt:
    In modern life, these salts are used too slowly to provide even RDA dosing. The iodine evaporates before the container is even partially used. Further, if you’re using an ⎆ancient mined salt, or modern sea salt, these are typically not fortified with iodine.
  • Seafood:
    Eating enough seafood to obtain program target for iodine is tricky. Even with authentic wild-caught (higher food chain) fish, that could easily present a toxin exposure risk (mercury being only one such). Too much market fish today is farmed, if not GMO, and the iodine content is anyone’s guess. Eating enough wild bait-fish has other issues, particularly when canned.⇱ Return to ToC

Intake timing

There is no specific advice on time of day to take iodine.

If taking selenium, the iodine can be taken with it.

Take any iodine supplements at a different time than any probiotics or live-culture fermented foods, due to the modest antibiotic effect of iodine at program intake levels.⇱ Return to ToC

Portion adjustment

Where no autoimmune or hyperthyroid conditions are suspected, consuming the program target amount of iodine can commence with the program. Where a reactivity is being challenged, adjust no more sharply than 50 µg per every 4 weeks.⇱ Return to ToC

Supplement suggestions

What iodine supplement to use hinges on how much you are already obtaining from other sources, such as a multivitamin, seafood and coastal crops. A multivitamin is likely to be providing RDA (150µg). For that, only another 150 or 200µg needs to be provided.

Unfortunately, the ConsumerLab testing service has not yet tested iodine supplements (other than as the radioprotective KI compounds, which are not suited to our purposes), but they have tested some kelp products and they have rejected several of them for containing 177%-207% of listed iodine, which is a material problem.

In a capsule forum, Solgar brand is worth considering, although the iodine amount reported by ℄ (200µg) doesn’t appear to match the product currently available (225µg). In a full-portion product, the NOW Foods 325µg product looks interesting, but hasn’t been independently verified.⇱ Return to ToC

Testing considerations

Test Name Target Range Further Information
{none}
Rely on 🦋thyroid testing
{N/A} Iodine blood and urine tests can be obtained but only reflect recent intake…” “There is no satisfactory test for tissue iodine.” The iodine patch test has “no data exploring its validity.

Specifically testing for iodine is not presently recommended in the program, both because the available tests aren’t terribly useful, and because the main health effect of it is thyroid status, for which various useful tests are available. They are covered in the 🦋Thyroid Optimization Quick Reference article.

Although an initial thyroid panel is always useful (especially the antibody tests), wait two to three months before checking for an initial response to iodine deficiency.

When making later adjustments to iodine intake, wait 4 weeks for re-test of thyroid status.⇱ Return to ToC


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Post Date: 5/21/2024
Another Bacillus (called subtilis)
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natural1: Isn’t Bacillus subtilis the bacteria that was discussed recently in conjunction with B. Coagulans for skin health?
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Post Date: 5/19/2024
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Post Date: 5/18/2024
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Bebe: Thanks again-- I hadn’t gotten too far on trying to find a Turkey Tail Supplement but this one caught my eye because they don’t use any grains:  https://shop.realmushrooms.com/products/organic-turkey-tail-extract-capsules

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xtronics: What is key - these companies are controlled by the oligarchs that control the government (both parties work for the same handful of people).  It is key to not think that the government is looking out for you - or your health.

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Post Date: 5/20/2024
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seeker: natural1: Did the fluoride paste just de-sensitize or did it remineralize your teeth?
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Post Date: 5/20/2024
Suppression of Thyroid Antibody Production - False Negative Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis Diagnosis
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Lucky Lime: .....elevated LDL is a risk factor for CVD

There’s no proof for that!
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Post Date: 4/15/2024
Malcolm Back in Hospital
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Ian989: Linoleic acid is inversely associated with T2D 
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Post Date: 5/18/2024
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Malcolm: This Ozempic lawsuit link looks suspicious to me (i.e. a scam).
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Post Date: 5/16/2024
Ceramic coated pan?
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Dr. Davis : Yes, most ceramic pans are coated, not solid ceramic. They are fine, but just be aware that, after repeated usage, the underlying aluminum can become exposed and it will be time to replace. 
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Eamo: Ok thanks. I see per your first link Dr D said ceramic coated is fine so that is good to know 😊
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HeartHawk: Hi Texas:

We just saw your request to join the Private FB and approved it.  You should be able to access it now.

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Post Date: 3/2/2022
Coconut Milk with Guar Gum Yogurt Base: IC Recipe Discussion Thread
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Barbie777: I think you should try it her way!
Posted: 5/18/2024

Dana & Mike: Thank you Barb,
That is how I did it in sous vide last time. 4 for them, 2 for me.
I still can’t make sense of boiling pasteurized coconut milk.
Maybe Donna Schwenk is correct. You don’t have to.
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Post Date: 5/17/2024
Blood Work - Fasting and Stopping Supplements before tests
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natural1: That’s exactly what I thought too...  Thanks to all, as always!
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Post Date: 4/6/2024
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Dana & Mike: Going to try. Thank you!!
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mark5309
Post Date: 9/9/2023
LATEST URINARY STONE RISK DIAGNOSTIC PROFILE TEST
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Learning about microbes: To Mark5309,

Fermentum decreases Uric acid. I make yogurt out of it with half and half.

Melanie Marsh-Glen
Posted: 5/17/2024

Aimee: Here is a link where Dr Fred Coe will answer your questions.
 
https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/2016/01/07/how-to-read-your-kidney-stone-lab-report/
Posted: 5/17/2024

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HeartHawk
Post Date: 5/17/2024
Preserving Cognitive Health - Part 3: Cognitive Exercise
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xtronics
Post Date: 2/27/2023
A few Seed oil links
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xtronics: Good debates
https://tuckergoodrich.substack.com/p/ep-23-ep-23-doctors-should-tell-patients
Posted: 5/17/2024

xtronics: https://tuckergoodrich.substack.com/p/does-consumption-of-omega-6-seed
Posted: 5/6/2024


camsi
Post Date: 5/15/2024
How long to ferment Saccharomyces boulardii cider?
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Dusty Silverspoon
Post Date: 5/17/2024
Candida and SIFO -
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Dusty Silverspoon: PS - the number of my Candida score is". 30.84 mg/L with <25 mg/L being very low (I’m in the "low" rank)
Posted: 5/17/2024


xtronics
Post Date: 3/22/2020
Relative risks - Coronavirus
Not understanding the attention gap  ... tell me where I am wrong ..

Corona virus - peek (so far) about 50-deaths/day
Car accidents - about -- 100/day  ( all age groups )
Death due to lead exposure  1095/day ( mostly older )

Lancet paper says something like number one cause of early death could well be lead exposure - low levels matter..

The paper says :

"Although we cannot exclude residual confounding, we estimate that about 400 000 deaths are attributable to lead exposure every year in the USA, of which 250 000 are from cardiovascular disease. Concentrations of lead in blood lower than 5 μg/dL (<0·24 μmol/L) are an important, but largely ignored, risk factor for death in the USA, particularly from cardiovascular disease."

"Our findings suggest that, of 2·3 million deaths every year in the USA, about 400 000 are attributable to lead exposure, an estimate that is about ten times larger than the current one."

So my take is 400,000 deaths a year is more important than the coronavirus by - how do I say this? -- A WHOLE LOT !!!  ...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30025-2/fulltext

,.,.,.
Those wanting to reduce their risk might want to consider BG and fattyacids..

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/ards-and-linoleic-acid.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/cell-surface-oxygen-consumption-4.html

( I have not had influenza after I started low-carb - many many years ago... )
,.,.

Also - might be a link with people taking ace inhibitors and NSAIDs -- too soon to tell (I’ve said before that NSAIDs are not as safe as people think - I would only take a fever reducer if I had a fever over 103.5 - but then I might just do cold compresses..):

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/18/coronavirus-covid-19/

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/22/covid-19-update/


xtronics: https://arrow.proteinpower.com/p/arrow-176
Posted: 5/17/2024

Bob Niland: 
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xtronics: This is funny :
https://scitechdaily.com/concerning-findings-this-severe-heart-disease-is-becoming-much-more-common/

No mention of possible causes of the increase.  -


Posted: 5/8/2024


Danio1001
Post Date: 5/17/2024
Sibo yogurt for 4 weeks - with or without fodmaps/prebiotics?
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Reference
Post Date: 3/4/2022
L. Helveticus and B. Longum Yogurt: IC Recipe Discussion Thread
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Danio1001: Are folks still making and getting positive results from this? Last I read Dr Davis found it had the opposite effect, depressive rather than uplifting. Not the only person saying it had that effect from reviews of the product either
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Reference
Post Date: 3/6/2022
L. Casei Shirota Yogurt: IC Recipe Discussion Thread
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Danio1001: I’ve noticed the first batch from yakult isn’t tart at all, but on my first succesful follow-up batch from an ice cube it is nice and tart
Posted: 5/17/2024

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Post Date: 5/17/2024
Fasting Glucose and Low Carb
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Post Date: 10/12/2023
Bacillus coagulans: Unexpected Benefits
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oxymaya: Hi Bob,

Curious to know why not a dish more than 8 inch deep?


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Post Date: 5/16/2024
Bread options
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Post Date: 5/16/2024
Ulcerative Colitis
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Post Date: 5/16/2024
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seeker: Do we have to sign up for a Facebook account in order to use this?
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Wendy O
Post Date: 5/15/2024
What strain to ferment instead of MegasporeBiotic by Microbiome labs
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Bob Niland
Post Date: 5/9/2024
2024-05-15: Preserving Cognitive Health - Part 3: Cognitive Exercise
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Post Date: 5/5/2024
Potassium Iodine Drop Recommendation
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